Sloppy
A New Zealand court has sentenced two Israeli men for attempting to fraudulently obtain a New Zealand passport. This case has precipitated a major thaw in Israeli-New Zealand relations, with the New Zealand government claiming the men were Mossad agents, and slapping sanctions on Israel.
Earlier this mornng (Thursday) an Auckland court sentenced the two men Uri Kelman, 30, and Eli Kra, 50, to six months jail, after they pleaded guilty. They were also ordered to pay $50,000 to the Cerebral Palsy Society of New Zealand. THey were convicted of attempting to fraudulently obtaina New Zealand passport by borrowing the identity of a CP-handicapped manís passport. The men’s lawyers denied claims the men had any link to Mossad.Shortly after the verdict, New Zealandís Prime Minister Helen Clark made a statement strongly condemning Israel. She also announced a de-facto suspension of diplomatic relations with Israel, saying that the accreditation visit of the new Israeli ambassador to Wellington would be “indefinitely postponed”.
Other diplomatic measures taken by New Zealand Among include suspension of high-level visits to and from Israel and requiring a visa application from any Israelis visiting New Zealand in any official government capacity. Clark also said that President Moshe Katsav, who was due to visit the country in August as part of his scheduled trip to Australia, would not be a desirable guest at this time.
In her statment, she said that there were “very strong reasons” to believe the two men were acting on behalf of Israel’s intelligence services.
You mean like the fact that one of the men turned up to court like this?
(AP)
I think the Mossad are losing the plot.
Update: And further sloppiness:
In April, the New Zealand Herald reported that senior government officials believed that Kelman and Kra, who claimed to be Sydney-based travel agents, were Mossad operatives. Their attorney, Advocate Grant Illingworth, has denied these allegations.Foreign intelligence sources have said that their cover was blown by their accents. According to these sources, the man who passed himself off as a New Zealand cirtizen sounded “more Yank than Kiwi”, thus arousing suspicion.
Update: And on the topic of sloppiness, the above extracts from Maariv, replete with spelling and grammatical errors, are exactly how they appeared online.
About the Author
An Australian immigrant to Israel, Aussie Dave has been blogging since early 2003.Filed Under: MT Archives
i ihoa a tua
o nga iwi maoura
ata whaka rongona
mi aroha noa
kia hua ko te pai
GOD DEFEND NEW ZEALAND!
Who the f*** does the Mossad think it is using another countries travel documents to carry out its dirty work!
This is all mild compared to whatthe PLO Arabs are doing when they use another country’s buses and cafes to do their dirty work.
It is a shame we have a need for the Mossad, but when your heroes stop trying to wipe us off the planet, then perhaps things can be different.
I notice that on his blog Darp makes reference both to shaving his balls and to “the killings of Israeli athletes at the 1968 Munich Olympics.”
‘Nuff said.
I know the son of one of the alleged spies and i met the father, he was a nice guy.
The Mossad uses other countries passports because they don’t arouse the authorities like an Israeli passport would
WTG NZ! The point is what were they doing there ?
Your site is interesting dave, in the sense that it allows absolutely no disagreement from what you say…..
can I say typical or can I say fundamentalist ?
How are things in Israel, are the Shas folk gaining what they want ? are Haredi folk hppy to see you there ? do you know any shas or haredi, unless they serve your table or if you are indeed an australian jew, are you ignored by the European ashkenazi ortho’s ?
Is it really that much fun there ?
People like you do more damage with your self-rightiousness than anything the israeli gov does, or are you keen to jump on the bandwagon that ensures that the distance between jews and other religions becomes supra distant for decades to come ?
Your treatement of people who dissent from your opnions makes you look like a child.
Salaam, or Shalom or whatever (It’s the same god i think you’ll find)
Do all the comments on this site agree with me, and shower me with praise?
I think not. Just look at the first comment in this thread.
I would only hope that people like you, who take issue with what I write, would back up your statements and present intelligent arguments, rather than merely throwing insults at me and/or Israel and the Jewish people.
*sigh*
Where are the insults I made dave ? I see none ?
I had written a much more extensive reply to you, but having been interrupted by my kids, i came back and decided whats the point, you won’t discuss nor listen anyway.
Thats my whole point………..
nice blog, but in any other country it would be racist, and you know it.
I think I speak for everyone when I say your name calling is getting tedious.
You allege I am racist, yet do not even cite ONE example of racism on my part.
You insinuate that I neither discuss nor listen.
You call me self-righteous.
You call me a fundamentalist.
And then you claim that you have made no insults.
It it is either wilful blindness or wilful stupidity. Either way, do yourself a favor and spend time with your children, rather than wasting everyone’s time here.
Dave, Dave,…….Dave…….
Over-Reacting are we, put your dummy back in.
Touch a Nerve , did I ?
I shall answer your questions in due course, but first in true Yeshiva style, answer me why the two agents of Mossad should be treated any differently and not have scorn poured on them, or can you not have two dialogues at the same time.
“You allege I am racist, yet do not even cite ONE example of racism on my part.”
If I were arabic I should say that some of your postings were hate inciting, the quoran says no such thing regarding jews, the “people of the book” as they are known are to be protected under all reason, it is the INTREPRETATIONS OF THE QUORAN BY RELIGIOUS FANATICS THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!, not the book nor the religion itself, or if you please, I can happily quote the Torah to you regarding the treatment of the Canaanites , which the orthodox still claim is a valid method of dealing with them, do you want me to quote the Torah in this respect dave ??
“You insinuate that I neither discuss nor listen.”
Well Dave, in this case you are fulfiling my insinuations.
“You call me self-righteous.”
How calling two spies, caught illegally using a disabled mans’ passport , and not even of that countries nationality, could be anything other than illegal is beyond belief, yet you simply call it sloppy, oooops , we got caught on that one, tsk — tsk —, lets try again………
Same rules for everyone dave, same rules for everyone, no special treatment for Mossad, they broke the law, it’s jail time and embarassment.
“You call me a fundamentalist.”
Yup, I do, and will continue to do so, as most of the rest of the world can only view people in Israel as rather odd in the head , and bereft of any reasonable attributes like humility or shame, or compassion.
“And then you claim that you have made no insults.”
pardon, you’re correct on that count , I take it back. If your skin is too thin , then I shall apologise uncondionally if you tell me 10 things that you can find good about Islam.
Salaam.
Nothing wilful about it.
Rather than reduce this to the level of school playground taunts (which is clearly the level you are trying to take this), I will approach this rationally for the sake of my regular readers, who would probably like to see you fisked.
You said: ["You allege I am racist, yet do not even cite ONE example of racism on my part."
If I were arabic I should say that some of your postings were hate inciting,the quoran says no such thing regarding jews, the "people of the book" as they are known are to be protected under all reason, it is the INTREPRETATIONS OF THE QUORAN BY RELIGIOUS FANATICS THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!, not the book nor the religion itself, or if you please, I can happily quote the Torah to you regarding the treatment of the Canaanites , which the orthodox still claim is a valid method of dealing with them, do you want me to quote the Torah in this respect dave ??]
You still have not pointed to even ONE post of mine that is racist. Which makes sense, since there is not one. I always distinguish between Islam the religion, and the fanatics. I confess to not knowing all there is to know about Islam, and am very careful to label all Muslims one way. After all, having a category called Moderate Muslims on your blog is not conducive to being anti-Muslim.
Having said that, I will continue to condemn, ridicule, rubbish and spit on radical Islamists who justify killing innocent people.
As for the Torah, try me. I do know what I am talking about when it comes to the Jewish holy book, since I bother learning it. So I call your bluff.
You mention the Canaanites..which modern nation do they represent, pray tell? I do not know any Orthodox people quoting passages on the Canaanites, but perhaps you just hang out in more interesting circles.
You said: ["You call me self-righteous."
How calling two spies, caught illegally using a disabled mans' passport , and not even of that countries nationality, could be anything other than illegal is beyond belief, yet you simply call it sloppy, oooops , we got caught on that one, tsk -- tsk ---, lets try again.........
Same rules for everyone dave, same rules for everyone, no special treatment for Mossad, they broke the law, it's jail time and embarassment.]
I am confused..how does this prove I am self-righteous? Or was that just a malapropism on your part?
Come to grips with the fact that I support Israel, as well as the need for the Mossad.
You said: ["You call me a fundamentalist."
Yup, I do, and will continue to do so, as most of the rest of the world can only view people in Israel as rather odd in the head , and bereft of any reasonable attributes like humility or shame, or compassion.Sounds to me like you are the one generalizing here..and racism is based on generalizations..methinks your facade is cracking. pardon, you're correct on that count , I take it back. If your skin is too thin , then I shall apologise uncondionally if you tell me 10 things that you can find good about Islam.]
Nice try, but this blog isn’t called Islamiscool. Perhaps you can take that domain yourself.
My skin isn’t too thin, but my patience tends to wear thin when it comes to racism and stupidity.
School ground taunts ?, you are the one making them chap.
You are obviously swimming in holy books, and indeed so you say your knowledge is unsurpassed, you look up Canaanites for yourself, it is one of the primary “religo-facist” methods used to justify what is going on in Israel by the haredim (you do know some, don’t you, or won’t they talk to you because you are secular??) and thus jewish law, and thus racist and guilty of ethnic cleansing.
Two Spies caught Illegally and you’re complaining that we (in the rest of the real world) think its fair, I think they got off lightly, President Clarke should have given them 2-3 years at least, its a smack on the wrists … get over it….
Malapropism, Hey Buddy, Translate my name into hebrew , whatta get ? Einstein ?
It does still of course remain:
I wonder what you really have to do with your day if you have to argue semantics and defend a “broken” country with what can only be described as boor-ism and racism.
What is the Herut party slogan ? How does that fit in with Jewish Law (quote me the section regarding the land of Canaan ) , chudkle Dav, you do know where it is , don’t you ?
fact remains, spies caught, was it sloppyness or stupidity ?
easy on the insults dave, someone might mistake you for someone who is fighting a losing battle a bit like the south africans , dare I say apartheid ?? oh gosh I just did….
Feel at home there dave, know any russian jews ? did you meet them in the IDF ? How about the haredim, you still have not answered my question, or can’t you at least cough up a black jewish friend from africa somewhere, or won’r they talk to you either ? ?
heh, know any palestinians ?
thought not…….on all counts…
would you like me to give you a page number on the caanan issue, just to help you along ?
hasbarah, so basicly you are saying that everyone who doesn’t agree with you is a racist. Why don’t you go and live with your friends in North Korea and Cuba?
Hasbarah, Rabbis never use those verses to apply to the Palestinians (or any modern nation) for a very simple reason. The Palestinians are not the Philistines. Besides for the complete lack of any resemblance between the sacrificial cult of the Philistines and the current Arab “Palestinians”, even the Arabic name for Palestine- “fah-lah-steen” derives not from the original “Peleshet,” but rather from the Romanized name “Palestina.” You would think that a nation would at least know their own name!
You would also think they might have a distinct language, since the Philistines invaded from one of the islands in the Mediteranean, not the Arabian Peninsula. You might even think that “Palestine” should have produced SOME kind of history over its last 2000 years of “existence.” Please tell me the name of one Palestinian poet, writer, leader or general in that period.
Oh- and make up your mind whether they are the Philistines or Canaanites.
By the way, I’ve noticed an astounding lack of Rabbis and Jewish scholars calling for holy war and destruction of the Palestinians. On the other hand…
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR2403