Well articulated. I was not going to bother answering dAWK’s latest comment, given that I have addressed his contentions on many an occasion (and yet he still doesn’t “get it”).

It may be worthwhile to post your comment on his site, so people who stumble upon his site can get a dose of common sense after reading his garbage.

-The IDF does not target civilians in the sense that they get suited up for a well planned mission in which the goal is to kill innocent palestinians, i.e. men, woman or children minding their own business, without any history or indication of prior or future plans to participate in terrorist activities, in places far from the front lines of conflict.

-Multiple palestinian groups do go on well planned missions where their target goal is to kill innocent civilians risking life and limb to reach them far from the front lines of battle like at bus stops or restaurants.

One interesting addendum: polls show that well over 50% of the palestinian population approves of such murderous tactics employed by these terror groups.

People like David and I do not believe the palestinians are genetically programmed to be evil but there is no question that their society has tried and succeeded to nurture such evil in many of them beginning from the songs they learn to sing in kindergarten and continuing through out their education. Further exposure to lies and propaganda from their various media outlets ensures the process is ongoing through out their life.

The IDF is doing as good a job as can be expected in the face of such an enemy with no moral rectitude. Coping with the terrorist face of the palestinians has been a job of the IDF long before those Arabs were even called palestinians and certainly long before the so called occupation began. Additionally, given that these palestinian terrorist groups openly state their goal as removing all Jews from all of Israel, attributing all the problems of Arab murder and terror tactics to the so called occupation is def, ignorant and naive.

(pre 1948 the name ‘palestinian’ was used to describe Jews, as a typical headline in 1929 would read ’4 palestinian Jews were murdered today by local Arabs in continuing riots’)

Scott, It is you who are the selective reader, since you chose to answer one of my questions and not the others

Actually, that would make me a selective responder!

I read the extract you provided

And you jumped to a conclusion. And that’s not selective reading?

I don’t have a fixation on the murder of Palestinians by the IOF. Do I post every time one is killed? My most recent post was about Tom and a HRW report. And yet this constitutes a fixation? Am I supposed to put up a post any time someone gets killed, just to appease you?

Of course it’s awful those kids were killed. It’s heartbreaking. No one deserves that. Just because I don’t post on it doesn’t mean I don’t lament the loss of life. I’m sure any post you put about murdered Palestinian kids, you would either call them terrorists or say it wasn’t deliberate, that it was somehow their fault. You qualify those deaths, because to you, Palestinians aren’t worth as much as Jewish Israelis. You don’t even have the humanity to call them Palestinians.

You had to qualify Tom as a terror enabler. You couldn’t see him as a 22 year old kid, just as an enemy whose death was justifiable. That is disgusting and sad. You have children…do you want them to been seen as enemies or human beings? Will you infect them with your virulent racism, much like kids in the South were infected by their parents to believe whites were superior to blacks. Do you teach them that Jews are superior to Arabs? I wouldn’t be surprised.

In my perspective the root of this violence is the occupation and that is what I am fighting to end. That perspective forms the basis for my posts. Whereas you simply see every Palestinian who doesn’t roll over and die at your request as a terrorist and that forms the basis of your posts.

Scott

Angry White Kid

“you really don’t send me very much traffic”

That’s because your blog is dead end.

One thing I know, is that my heart goes out to those families who will have to move, who will see their houses being demolished. I don’t care wether the settlements are right or wrong, wether the disengagement should or shouldn’t be happening. I just wish all these people whose lives are totally changing didn’t have to go through this. I was only two when the evacuation of Yamit took place, but my mother often told me it was horrible to watch. You couldn’t blame the Israeli soldiers for following their orders, you couldn’t blame the people who didn’t want to leave…

Where are the ISMers who will protect THESE houses from being demolished? Where are the Rachel Corries to stand in front of the same army, the same bulldozers, the same house demolitions?

Of course there aren’t any. Because these houses belong to Jews. Because these houses never smuggled arms to kill hordes of Muslim children waiting at a bus stop. Because for ISMers, being a settler is worse than being a suicide bomber.

It is you who are the selective reader, since you chose to answer one of my questions and not the others.

Regarding the report, I read the extract you provided, and not the whole thing. But I will say this: a report by Human Rights Watch is not the final say on anything. For a start, they get alot of their information from PLO Arab “eyewitness” accounts, which prove as reliable as a Fiat Multipla.

Now please explain your fixation on PLO Arab deaths, most of which either concern terrorists, or, in the case of civilians, which are not deliberate, and your lack of fixation on the deliberate slaying of innocent Israelis.

I need not call you any names, Scott. Your views paint you in the worst light possible.

It always amuses me that people will make false, rude, and disgusting statements about me and then complain that I don’t respond, or I have “no answers.” It’s not that I have no answers, it’s simply that I see no point in wasting time trying to correct your warped version of me, what I stand for, believe, etc.

What is there to say to someone who calls Palestinians “PLO Arabs” and who labels someone who was murdered while trying to move children out of the way of gun fire a “terror enabler”? Really David, what can I possibly say to you that would mean anything, that would make any difference? I hold sincere beliefs and have sincere responses to what you write – but I know you won’t listen and you’ll just come at me with garbage similar to the type exhibited above. Since we have these reunions every couple of weeks or so, I’ve just stopped trying.

Undoubtedly you’ll call my attempt at an explanation a cop-out and I’ll be attacked yet again. Say what you will, I’ve come to expect nothing but the basest from you.

As for the HRW report, you really are proving yourself to be quite the selective reader:

The report examines in detail more than a dozen cases of civilian deaths and serious injury caused to Palestinians and foreigners by Israel Defense Forces in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, most of which clearly occurred in law enforcement rather than armed conflict situations.

The word civilian is all over the report.

scott

Angry White Kid

http://strategypage.com/dls/articles/20031128.asp

The fact is that those who are responsible are the terrorists who hide in civilian areas.

The ISM jerkoff put himself in a situation knowingly endangering himself. Every time I read a story about the guy it changes.