<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: An Open Letter to Dov Bear (or Why I Read LGF)</title> <atom:link href="http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/</link> <description>Down Under Punditry in the Middle East</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:00:10 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4141</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:20:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4141</guid> <description>I&#039;ll explain very simply why LGF is bad for Israel.  The blog provides a forum for nasty, fascist rascist people to vent their anger at Muslims and Arabs. When well-meaning people see this, when they see horrible and hateful comments about Rachel Corrie, for example, or about the whole of the Muslim world, for example, they make the mistake of presuming that anyone who supports Israel is alsnasty, fascist rascist . I&#039;ve seen it happen. I know it happens.Moreover, LGF&#039;s comment section has given it a terrible reputation among the centirst and left leaning blogs. How does that help Israel? The people who need to be convinced of the rightness of Israel&#039;s position are not reading LGF. That&#039;s the chior. If they read LGF they already support Israel. The people who need to be convinced read the centrist and left leaning blogs, and among those blogs the name LGF - and by association any cause it champions - is mud.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll explain very simply why LGF is bad for Israel.  The blog provides a forum for nasty, fascist rascist people to vent their anger at Muslims and Arabs. When well-meaning people see this, when they see horrible and hateful comments about Rachel Corrie, for example, or about the whole of the Muslim world, for example, they make the mistake of presuming that anyone who supports Israel is alsnasty, fascist rascist . I&#8217;ve seen it happen. I know it happens.</p><p>Moreover, LGF&#8217;s comment section has given it a terrible reputation among the centirst and left leaning blogs. How does that help Israel? The people who need to be convinced of the rightness of Israel&#8217;s position are not reading LGF. That&#8217;s the chior. If they read LGF they already support Israel. The people who need to be convinced read the centrist and left leaning blogs, and among those blogs the name LGF &#8211; and by association any cause it champions &#8211; is mud.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4147</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:06:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4147</guid> <description>Aspersions &lt;strong&gt;on my blog &lt;/strong&gt;have been cast in the comments section of DBs blog. Is that better?But I think I was less ambiguous when I said I don&#039;t see the point in us discussing this any further.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aspersions <strong>on my blog </strong>have been cast in the comments section of DBs blog. Is that better?</p><p>But I think I was less ambiguous when I said I don&#8217;t see the point in us discussing this any further.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4146</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:00:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4146</guid> <description>&quot;As for the lack of defence, what has you reading my blog have to do with reacting to disgusting comments on DB&#039;s blog? Aspersions were cast on me over at DB&#039;s blog (in the comments), and you, champion of the oppressed, had nothing to say. So excuse me for not taking you too seriously. &quot;Uh, check your comment, big guy. You said: &quot;Aspersions have been cast on &lt;strong&gt;my&lt;/strong&gt; blog constantly in the comments section (without provocation, may I add) and you have never spoken up.&quot; What exactly does your comment have to do with the comments on DB&#039;s blog?  We were never discussing that. Good day.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the lack of defence, what has you reading my blog have to do with reacting to disgusting comments on DB&#8217;s blog? Aspersions were cast on me over at DB&#8217;s blog (in the comments), and you, champion of the oppressed, had nothing to say. So excuse me for not taking you too seriously. &#8221;</p><p>Uh, check your comment, big guy. You said: &#8220;Aspersions have been cast on <strong>my</strong> blog constantly in the comments section (without provocation, may I add) and you have never spoken up.&#8221; What exactly does your comment have to do with the comments on DB&#8217;s blog?  We were never discussing that. Good day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4145</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4145</guid> <description>No, it is me who feels like I&#039;m wasting my time trying to explain to you the point of my post and subsequent comments. You are insistent on accusing me of casting aspersions on your friend DB, while I insist I haven&#039;t. So let me explain one more time and then you can go and be ill.DB trashes LGF. I explain why I disagree, and even why LGF does more for the good name of Israel than DB. You and some other DB groupies decide I have cast aspersions on his good name. Interestingly enough, DB himself is not accusing me of this, but rather &quot;cherry picking&quot; my evidence of his anti-LGF ways. He also explains why he does not post about terror attacks in Israel, and I don&#039;t continue on his case about that. At least HE is mature enough to know the difference between ad hominem attacks and criticism on a position he takes.As for the lack of defence, what has you reading my blog have to do with reacting to disgusting comments on DB&#039;s blog? Aspersions were cast on me over at DB&#039;s blog (in the comments), and you, champion of the oppressed, had nothing to say. So excuse me for not taking you too seriously.Quite frankly, I don&#039;t see the point in us discussing this any further.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is me who feels like I&#8217;m wasting my time trying to explain to you the point of my post and subsequent comments. You are insistent on accusing me of casting aspersions on your friend DB, while I insist I haven&#8217;t. So let me explain one more time and then you can go and be ill.</p><p>DB trashes LGF. I explain why I disagree, and even why LGF does more for the good name of Israel than DB. You and some other DB groupies decide I have cast aspersions on his good name. Interestingly enough, DB himself is not accusing me of this, but rather &#8220;cherry picking&#8221; my evidence of his anti-LGF ways. He also explains why he does not post about terror attacks in Israel, and I don&#8217;t continue on his case about that. At least HE is mature enough to know the difference between ad hominem attacks and criticism on a position he takes.</p><p>As for the lack of defence, what has you reading my blog have to do with reacting to disgusting comments on DB&#8217;s blog? Aspersions were cast on me over at DB&#8217;s blog (in the comments), and you, champion of the oppressed, had nothing to say. So excuse me for not taking you too seriously.</p><p>Quite frankly, I don&#8217;t see the point in us discussing this any further.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4144</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:04:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4144</guid> <description>&quot;Aspersions have been cast on my blog constantly in the comments section (without provocation, may I add) and you have never spoken up. So please..cry me a river. If u were consistent, I might actually take your comments more seriously.&quot;UH, hello? This is not a discussion about aspersions cast on YOUR blog, in YOUR comments, about YOU, by YOUR readers. Trust me, DB&#039;s readers do plenty of that to him, me included. This is about YOU casting aspersions on another blogger on your blog, with no provocations. Frankly, it makes me ill. Oh, and your comment about my not speaking up in your defense? Before yesterday I&#039;d never read your blog, so don&#039;t take my lack of defense personally. By the same token, I&#039;m not big on sticking up for DB when he gets trashed in HIS blog&#039;s comments section either, because that&#039;s his turf. This, on the other hand, is not. Which is why I am here, wasting my time explaining something you don&#039;t want to understand, preferring instead to presume me biased.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aspersions have been cast on my blog constantly in the comments section (without provocation, may I add) and you have never spoken up. So please..cry me a river. If u were consistent, I might actually take your comments more seriously.&#8221;</p><p>UH, hello? This is not a discussion about aspersions cast on YOUR blog, in YOUR comments, about YOU, by YOUR readers. Trust me, DB&#8217;s readers do plenty of that to him, me included. This is about YOU casting aspersions on another blogger on your blog, with no provocations. Frankly, it makes me ill. Oh, and your comment about my not speaking up in your defense? Before yesterday I&#8217;d never read your blog, so don&#8217;t take my lack of defense personally. By the same token, I&#8217;m not big on sticking up for DB when he gets trashed in HIS blog&#8217;s comments section either, because that&#8217;s his turf. This, on the other hand, is not. Which is why I am here, wasting my time explaining something you don&#8217;t want to understand, preferring instead to presume me biased.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4136</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:53:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4136</guid> <description>Dov,I will spare you the embarassment of posting some of the comments I have seen on your site - comments which you have let pass without nary a rebuke or attempt at censorship.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dov,</p><p>I will spare you the embarassment of posting some of the comments I have seen on your site &#8211; comments which you have let pass without nary a rebuke or attempt at censorship.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4138</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:51:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4138</guid> <description>1. True, but from what I have seen in the comments section on DB, the words lynch mob wouldn&#039;t be out of place.2. You said: &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The comment &quot;I don&#039;t doubt you have good intentions&quot; pretty clearly implies that you do doubt he has good intentions, sort of like &quot;not that there is anything wrong with that&quot; suggests quite the opposite.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;No. Actually it does not need to imply anything, b/c I said it straight out. &quot;I don&#039;t doubt that you have good intentions. &lt;em&gt;That doesn&#039;t make you correct in your assessment&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; No casting aspersions on his intentions there.3. Let me clarify. The site LGF does alot of good, and is not racist. Some of his commenters say extreme things. Does that make the whole site racist?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. True, but from what I have seen in the comments section on DB, the words lynch mob wouldn&#8217;t be out of place.</p><p>2. You said:<br /><blockquote>&#8220;The comment &#8220;I don&#8217;t doubt you have good intentions&#8221; pretty clearly implies that you do doubt he has good intentions, sort of like &#8220;not that there is anything wrong with that&#8221; suggests quite the opposite.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>No. Actually it does not need to imply anything, b/c I said it straight out. &#8220;I don&#8217;t doubt that you have good intentions. <em>That doesn&#8217;t make you correct in your assessment</em>.&#8221; No casting aspersions on his intentions there.</p><p>3. Let me clarify. The site LGF does alot of good, and is not racist. Some of his commenters say extreme things. Does that make the whole site racist?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4129</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:43:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4129</guid> <description>Why? Is there some rule about use of the word &quot;manifest&quot; that I&#039;m not aware of? Twice is enough for me. As you should know, once you put something out there, in public, on the internet (and especially more than once), it is manifest.But if you want to clarify your position, now&#039;s your chance.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why? Is there some rule about use of the word &#8220;manifest&#8221; that I&#8217;m not aware of? Twice is enough for me. As you should know, once you put something out there, in public, on the internet (and especially more than once), it is manifest.</p><p>But if you want to clarify your position, now&#8217;s your chance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4140</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:40:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4140</guid> <description>You have labelled the whole site as racist. If you mean to only brand some of the commenters as &quot;racist&quot;, then do so, without generalizing about the whole site.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have labelled the whole site as racist. If you mean to only brand some of the commenters as &#8220;racist&#8221;, then do so, without generalizing about the whole site.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/comment-page-1/#comment-4143</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:38:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.israellycool.com/2005/07/13/an-open-letter-to-dov-bear-or-why-i-read-lgf/#comment-4143</guid> <description>No, the fact that u r a regular DB commenter, whose loyalty is not in question, makes your position on this predictable. Funny how I have &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; seen u comment on a lack of derech eretz on DB&#039;s blog. Aspersions have been cast on my blog constantly in the comments section (without provocation, may I add) and you have never spoken up. So please..cry me a river. If u were consistent, I might actually take your comments more seriously. Champion of the underdog indeed..or should that be underbear.Yes, I think LGF&#039;s posts are more supportive of Israel than DBs. That is b/c LGF deals with the issues. DB prefers to focus on other issues more, as he described in a previous comment. I concede that this doesn&#039;t mean he doesn&#039;t privately support Israel. But the fact remains that I take issue with his comments about LGF, and their relative PUBLIC positions on Israel IS relevant, as far as I am concerned.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the fact that u r a regular DB commenter, whose loyalty is not in question, makes your position on this predictable. Funny how I have <em>not</em> seen u comment on a lack of derech eretz on DB&#8217;s blog. Aspersions have been cast on my blog constantly in the comments section (without provocation, may I add) and you have never spoken up. So please..cry me a river. If u were consistent, I might actually take your comments more seriously. Champion of the underdog indeed..or should that be underbear.</p><p>Yes, I think LGF&#8217;s posts are more supportive of Israel than DBs. That is b/c LGF deals with the issues. DB prefers to focus on other issues more, as he described in a previous comment. I concede that this doesn&#8217;t mean he doesn&#8217;t privately support Israel. But the fact remains that I take issue with his comments about LGF, and their relative PUBLIC positions on Israel IS relevant, as far as I am concerned.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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