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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hate to be a Christian in the Muslim part of Jerusalem. It&#039;d seriously suck.

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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spoiled,irrational children want everything....if they don&#039;t get it,they have a tantrum....some people say they need a &quot;time out&quot;..others believe in a spanking and sending them to bed......who knows what works??

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spoiled,irrational children want everything&#8230;.if they don&#8217;t get it,they have a tantrum&#8230;.some people say they need a &#8220;time out&#8221;..others believe in a spanking and sending them to bed&#8230;&#8230;who knows what works??</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does he want christian churchs?

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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to give a bit of historical information on the &quot;Muslim claim to Jerusalem&quot;:

http://www.danielpipes.org/pf.php?id=84

Quoting, from the conclusion:

Politics, not religious sensibility, has fueled the Muslim attachment to Jerusalem for nearly fourteen centuries; what the historian Bernard Wasserstein has written about the growth of Muslim feeling in the course of the Countercrusade applies through the centuries: &quot;often in the history of Jerusalem, heightened religious fervour may be explained in large part by political necessity.&quot; This pattern has three main implications. First, Jerusalem will never be more than a secondary city for Muslims; &quot;belief in the sanctity of Jerusalem,&quot; Sivan rightly concludes, &quot;cannot be said to have been widely diffused nor deeply rooted in Islam.&quot; Second, the Muslim interest lies not so much in controlling Jerusalem as it does in denying control over the city to anyone else. Third, the Islamic connection to the city is weaker than the Jewish one because it arises as much from transitory and mundane considerations as from the immutable claims of faith.

Mecca, by contrast, is the eternal city of Islam, the place from which non-Muslims are strictly forbidden. Very roughly speaking, what Jerusalem is to Jews, Mecca is to Muslims ‚Äì a point made in the Qur&#039;an itself (2:145) in recognizing that Muslims have one qibla and &quot;the people of the Book&quot; another one. The parallel was noted by medieval Muslims; the geographer Yaqut (1179-1229) wrote, for example, that &quot;Mecca is holy to Muslims and Jerusalem to the Jews.&quot; In modern times, some scholars have come to the same conclusion: &quot;Jerusalem plays for the Jewish people the same role that Mecca has for Muslims,&quot; writes Abdul Hadi Palazzi, director of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community.

The similarities are striking. Jews pray thrice to Jerusalem, Muslims five times daily to Mecca. Muslims see Mecca as the navel of the world, just as Jews see Jerusalem. Whereas Jews believe Abraham nearly sacrificed Ishmael&#039;s brother Isaac in Jerusalem, Muslims believe this episode took place in Mecca. The Ka‚Äòba in Mecca has similar functions for Muslims as the Temple in Jerusalem for Jews (such as serving as a destination for pilgrimage). The Temple and Ka‚Äòba are both said to be inimitable structures. The supplicant takes off his shoes and goes barefoot in both their precincts. Solomon&#039;s Temple was inaugurated on Yom Kippur, the tenth day of the year, and the Ka‚Äòba receives its new cover also on the tenth day of each year. If Jerusalem is for Jews a place so holy that not just its soil but even its air is deemed sacred, Mecca is the place whose &quot;very mention reverberates awe in Muslims&#039; hearts,&quot; according to Abad Ahmad of the Islamic Society of Central Jersey.

This parallelism of Mecca and Jerusalem offers the basis of a solution, as Sheikh Palazzi wisely writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;separation in directions of prayer is a mean to decrease possible rivalries in management of Holy Places. For those who receive from Allah the gift of equilibrium and the attitude to reconciliation, it should not be difficult to conclude that, as no one is willing to deny Muslims a complete sovereignty over Mecca, from an Islamic point of view - notwithstanding opposite, groundless propagandistic claims - there is not any sound theological reason to deny an equal right of Jews over Jerusalem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To back up this view, Palazzi notes several striking and oft-neglected passages in the Qur&#039;an. One of them (5:22-23) quotes Moses instructing the Jews to &quot;enter the Holy Land (al-ard al-muqaddisa) which God has assigned unto you.&quot; Another verse (17:104) has God Himself making the same point: &quot;We said to the Children of Israel: ‚ÄòDwell securely in the Land.&#039;&quot; Qur&#039;an 2:145 states that the Jews &quot;would not follow your qibla; nor are you going to follow their qibla,&quot; indicating a recognition of the Temple Mount as the Jews&#039; direction of prayer. &quot;God himself is saying that Jerusalem is as important to Jews as Mecca is to Moslems,&quot; Palazzi concludes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;His analysis has a clear and sensible implication: just as Muslims rule an undivided Mecca, Jews should rule an undivided Jerusalem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to give a bit of historical information on the &#8220;Muslim claim to Jerusalem&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/pf.php?id=84" rel="nofollow">http://www.danielpipes.org/pf.php?id=84</a></p>
<p>Quoting, from the conclusion:</p>
<p>Politics, not religious sensibility, has fueled the Muslim attachment to Jerusalem for nearly fourteen centuries; what the historian Bernard Wasserstein has written about the growth of Muslim feeling in the course of the Countercrusade applies through the centuries: &#8220;often in the history of Jerusalem, heightened religious fervour may be explained in large part by political necessity.&#8221; This pattern has three main implications. First, Jerusalem will never be more than a secondary city for Muslims; &#8220;belief in the sanctity of Jerusalem,&#8221; Sivan rightly concludes, &#8220;cannot be said to have been widely diffused nor deeply rooted in Islam.&#8221; Second, the Muslim interest lies not so much in controlling Jerusalem as it does in denying control over the city to anyone else. Third, the Islamic connection to the city is weaker than the Jewish one because it arises as much from transitory and mundane considerations as from the immutable claims of faith.</p>
<p>Mecca, by contrast, is the eternal city of Islam, the place from which non-Muslims are strictly forbidden. Very roughly speaking, what Jerusalem is to Jews, Mecca is to Muslims ‚Äì a point made in the Qur&#8217;an itself (2:145) in recognizing that Muslims have one qibla and &#8220;the people of the Book&#8221; another one. The parallel was noted by medieval Muslims; the geographer Yaqut (1179-1229) wrote, for example, that &#8220;Mecca is holy to Muslims and Jerusalem to the Jews.&#8221; In modern times, some scholars have come to the same conclusion: &#8220;Jerusalem plays for the Jewish people the same role that Mecca has for Muslims,&#8221; writes Abdul Hadi Palazzi, director of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community.</p>
<p>The similarities are striking. Jews pray thrice to Jerusalem, Muslims five times daily to Mecca. Muslims see Mecca as the navel of the world, just as Jews see Jerusalem. Whereas Jews believe Abraham nearly sacrificed Ishmael&#8217;s brother Isaac in Jerusalem, Muslims believe this episode took place in Mecca. The Ka‚Äòba in Mecca has similar functions for Muslims as the Temple in Jerusalem for Jews (such as serving as a destination for pilgrimage). The Temple and Ka‚Äòba are both said to be inimitable structures. The supplicant takes off his shoes and goes barefoot in both their precincts. Solomon&#8217;s Temple was inaugurated on Yom Kippur, the tenth day of the year, and the Ka‚Äòba receives its new cover also on the tenth day of each year. If Jerusalem is for Jews a place so holy that not just its soil but even its air is deemed sacred, Mecca is the place whose &#8220;very mention reverberates awe in Muslims&#8217; hearts,&#8221; according to Abad Ahmad of the Islamic Society of Central Jersey.</p>
<p>This parallelism of Mecca and Jerusalem offers the basis of a solution, as Sheikh Palazzi wisely writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>separation in directions of prayer is a mean to decrease possible rivalries in management of Holy Places. For those who receive from Allah the gift of equilibrium and the attitude to reconciliation, it should not be difficult to conclude that, as no one is willing to deny Muslims a complete sovereignty over Mecca, from an Islamic point of view &#8211; notwithstanding opposite, groundless propagandistic claims &#8211; there is not any sound theological reason to deny an equal right of Jews over Jerusalem.</p></blockquote>
<p>To back up this view, Palazzi notes several striking and oft-neglected passages in the Qur&#8217;an. One of them (5:22-23) quotes Moses instructing the Jews to &#8220;enter the Holy Land (al-ard al-muqaddisa) which God has assigned unto you.&#8221; Another verse (17:104) has God Himself making the same point: &#8220;We said to the Children of Israel: ‚ÄòDwell securely in the Land.&#8217;&#8221; Qur&#8217;an 2:145 states that the Jews &#8220;would not follow your qibla; nor are you going to follow their qibla,&#8221; indicating a recognition of the Temple Mount as the Jews&#8217; direction of prayer. &#8220;God himself is saying that Jerusalem is as important to Jews as Mecca is to Moslems,&#8221; Palazzi concludes.</p>
<blockquote><p>His analysis has a clear and sensible implication: just as Muslims rule an undivided Mecca, Jews should rule an undivided Jerusalem.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for sharing those photos and information on the sites! Interesting, albeit sad.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for sharing those photos and information on the sites! Interesting, albeit sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idiotic comments by the Big Pharoah outrage me.  What arrogance. But I guess it is no surprise coming from someone who calls himself &quot;The Big Pharoah&quot;. He wrongly asserts that the Temple Mount belongs to the Palestinians, for starters, and he clearly is prejudiced against Jews to begin with. ALL of Israel belongs to the Jews, not to the PA!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idiotic comments by the Big Pharoah outrage me.  What arrogance. But I guess it is no surprise coming from someone who calls himself &#8220;The Big Pharoah&#8221;. He wrongly asserts that the Temple Mount belongs to the Palestinians, for starters, and he clearly is prejudiced against Jews to begin with. ALL of Israel belongs to the Jews, not to the PA!</p>
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		<title>By: One Jerusalem Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Good Defense of Israel Controlling the Temple Mount&lt;/strong&gt;

Israelly Cool responds.We also believe that giving up any part of Jerusalem will make it impossible to maintain the current level of safety and access all people currently enjoy under the protection of the State of Israel.Olmert&#039;s plan opens the...

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<p>Israelly Cool responds.We also believe that giving up any part of Jerusalem will make it impossible to maintain the current level of safety and access all people currently enjoy under the protection of the State of Israel.Olmert&#39;s plan opens the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when we go up we stay more or less along the inside of the outer wall (this avoids problems of where is it ok to go and where not to go). Yes, much more kedusha but also a palpable sadness, for when you&#039;re at the Kotel you see the outer wall and can envision the House, but when you&#039;re on the inside you see the destruction and desecration and can&#039;t help but mourn for what&#039;s missing.

Here&#039;s two more important photo sets from the Mount, &lt;a href=&quot;http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/important-solomons-stables-destruction.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here is Solomon&#039;s Stables&lt;/a&gt;, the giant dig that the Wakf is doing, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/photo-set-temple-mount-today.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s my full visit photo set.&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when we go up we stay more or less along the inside of the outer wall (this avoids problems of where is it ok to go and where not to go). Yes, much more kedusha but also a palpable sadness, for when you&#8217;re at the Kotel you see the outer wall and can envision the House, but when you&#8217;re on the inside you see the destruction and desecration and can&#8217;t help but mourn for what&#8217;s missing.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s two more important photo sets from the Mount, <a href="http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/important-solomons-stables-destruction.html" rel="nofollow"> here is Solomon&#8217;s Stables</a>, the giant dig that the Wakf is doing, and <a href="http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/photo-set-temple-mount-today.html" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s my full visit photo set.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. What was it like up there? Did you &lt;em&gt;feel&lt;/em&gt; the kedoosha more than you do at the Wall?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. What was it like up there? Did you <em>feel</em> the kedoosha more than you do at the Wall?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us, even with black hats and beards, do go there. Though, as warned by the police, if we dare to pray they&#039;ll club us, haul us away, and arrest us.

Pictures of my visit to &lt;a href=&quot;http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/visiting-har-habayit-temple-mount.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Har HaBayit here&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/videos-from-temple-mount-g-ds-house.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Video here &lt;/a&gt;with police warning us.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us, even with black hats and beards, do go there. Though, as warned by the police, if we dare to pray they&#8217;ll club us, haul us away, and arrest us.</p>
<p>Pictures of my visit to <a href="http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/visiting-har-habayit-temple-mount.html" rel="nofollow">Har HaBayit here</a>,</p>
<p><a href="http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2005/08/videos-from-temple-mount-g-ds-house.html" rel="nofollow">Video here </a>with police warning us.</p>
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