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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article Liveblogging the War: Tuesday July 25th, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WOW - WHAT AN IGNORAMUS&lt;/strong&gt;

From today&#039;s Washington Post from actual experts in actual International Law. I suggest you shut your yap and read a few things before you make a fool of yourself in public.

&lt;strong&gt;Israel Is Within Its Rights&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;By David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey

Wednesday, July 26, 2006; Page A17&lt;/em&gt;

Israel&#039;s operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza have been widely condemned in Europe, the Arab world and at the United Nations as violations of international law. Some of the critics seem to deny that Israel has any legitimate right to use force. Others, while acknowledging its right to self-defense, nevertheless regard its exercise in these cases as illegal. Israel&#039;s alleged offenses include treating mere &quot;terrorist&quot; attacks as an excuse to attack Lebanon, using disproportionate force, causing excessive civilian casualties and refusing to contemplate an immediate cease-fire.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In fact, Israel&#039;s conduct has been fully compliant with the applicable norms of international law.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

The primary claim by Israel&#039;s critics is that it used force disproportionately in response to Hezbollah&#039;s initial attack against Israeli soldiers, eight of whom were killed and two captured. The underlying assumption appears to be that Israel should have treated these provocations as terrorist acts and limited its response accordingly, rather than as justifications for a full-scale attack on Lebanese territory.

&lt;strong&gt;But in determining the existence of a legitimate casus belli , a state is entitled to consider the entire context of the threat it faces. &lt;/strong&gt;Hezbollah is not simply a terrorist gang, like Germany&#039;s Baader-Meinhof or Italy&#039;s Red Brigades. It is a substantial political and military organization that has more than 12,000 short- and medium-range rockets and that has operated freely on Lebanese territory for many years, periodically launching attacks against Israel. Its stated goal is Israel&#039;s destruction, and it is the client of a major regional power -- Iran -- whose government appears dedicated to the same goal.

Moreover, although international law requires a state to have a lawful reason to use force -- such as self-defense -- it does not mandate that a state limit its military response to &quot;tit for tat&quot; actions. &lt;strong&gt;Once a country has suffered an armed attack, it is entitled to identify the source of that attack and to eliminate its adversary&#039;s ability to attack again&lt;/strong&gt;. Its actions must be consistent with otherwise applicable international norms, but it is not required to accept a limited conflict that fails to meet and resolve the danger it faces.

That Lebanon has suffered from Israel&#039;s actions does not change the legal rules involved. No state has the right to permit a foreign military force to use its territory to launch attacks against another country. Indeed, every country has an obligation to control its own territory. Lebanon&#039;s failure (or refusal) to expel Hezbollah would in and of itself have been a legitimate cause for Israeli military action. It was the Taliban&#039;s sheltering of al-Qaeda that was the basis of the U.S. attack on Afghanistan in 2001. And, although the current Lebanese government is certainly more democratic than the feudalistic Taliban, democratic credentials cannot insulate a state from responsibility for controlling its territory.

The specific aspects of Israel&#039;s military operations in Lebanon and Gaza have also been condemned as being disproportionate and as thereby violating the laws of war. Although there is some grim humor in the spectacle of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose troops have ravaged Chechnya, criticizing Israel for a &quot;disproportionate&quot; use of force, the claims -- including dark warnings from Louise Arbour, U.N. high commissioner for human rights, about &quot;war crimes&quot; liability for Israel&#039;s leaders -- are without merit.

An army must always eschew deliberate attacks on civilians and consider whether the military advantage to be gained from an operation is sufficiently important to justify potential collateral damage to civilians. &lt;strong&gt;But this does not mean that installations and infrastructure, such as airports, bridges and the power grid, cannot be legally attacked. &lt;/strong&gt;These are all dual-use targets -- having a civilian character but also clear military value. Indeed, in NATO&#039;s 1999 war against Serbia, exactly the same set of targets was attacked -- with the agreement and approval of the European governments involved. In the current conflict, Israel&#039;s primary military purpose in attacking these targets appears to be to cut Hezbollah&#039;s supply lines, not to punish Lebanon.

&lt;strong&gt;Similarly, the occurrence of civilian casualties, or the fact that more Lebanese civilians have died than Israelis, does not prove that Israel has used disproportionate force.&lt;/strong&gt; The law forbids an operation only if the hoped-for military benefit would be clearly disproportionate to the likely injury to the civilian population. Proportionality, however, must be calculated in the context of the entire conflict, and any civilian lives lost must be balanced against civilian lives saved.

Unfortunately, heavy civilian casualties are the inherent and inevitable result of the type of asymmetric warfare deliberately waged by Hezbollah and similar groups. They intentionally operate from civilian areas, both to protect their military capabilities from attack and to increase civilian deaths, which can then be trumpeted for propaganda purposes. But the presence of a large civilian population does not immunize Hezbollah or Hamas forces from attack. Responsibility for any additional civilian casualties must be attributed to those groups, not to Israel. The adoption of any other rule would reward and encourage the illegal behavior of such &quot;unlawful&quot; combatants, which would simply result in more danger to innocent civilians in the future.

Israel may legally seek victory in Lebanon, even if it requires a combination of ground and air operations, takes weeks to accomplish and results in civilian casualties. It is under no obligation to agree to an early cease-fire unless the terms of that agreement would vindicate its legitimate war aims: the security of its population from attack.

The legal rights Israel is exercising to defend itself today are the very same legal rights on which the United States must rely in the war on terrorism. Attempts to revise the traditional laws of war -- moving toward a law-enforcement paradigm -- so that law-abiding states cannot effectively protect their own populations from attack or even defend their territory from armed incursion are not humanitarian advances. They simply make the world safer for those who reject any notion of law in war.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WOW &#8211; WHAT AN IGNORAMUS</strong></p>
<p>From today&#8217;s Washington Post from actual experts in actual International Law. I suggest you shut your yap and read a few things before you make a fool of yourself in public.</p>
<p><strong>Israel Is Within Its Rights</strong></p>
<p><em>By David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey</p>
<p>Wednesday, July 26, 2006; Page A17</em></p>
<p>Israel&#8217;s operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza have been widely condemned in Europe, the Arab world and at the United Nations as violations of international law. Some of the critics seem to deny that Israel has any legitimate right to use force. Others, while acknowledging its right to self-defense, nevertheless regard its exercise in these cases as illegal. Israel&#8217;s alleged offenses include treating mere &#8220;terrorist&#8221; attacks as an excuse to attack Lebanon, using disproportionate force, causing excessive civilian casualties and refusing to contemplate an immediate cease-fire.</p>
<p><em><strong>In fact, Israel&#8217;s conduct has been fully compliant with the applicable norms of international law.</strong></em></p>
<p>The primary claim by Israel&#8217;s critics is that it used force disproportionately in response to Hezbollah&#8217;s initial attack against Israeli soldiers, eight of whom were killed and two captured. The underlying assumption appears to be that Israel should have treated these provocations as terrorist acts and limited its response accordingly, rather than as justifications for a full-scale attack on Lebanese territory.</p>
<p><strong>But in determining the existence of a legitimate casus belli , a state is entitled to consider the entire context of the threat it faces. </strong>Hezbollah is not simply a terrorist gang, like Germany&#8217;s Baader-Meinhof or Italy&#8217;s Red Brigades. It is a substantial political and military organization that has more than 12,000 short- and medium-range rockets and that has operated freely on Lebanese territory for many years, periodically launching attacks against Israel. Its stated goal is Israel&#8217;s destruction, and it is the client of a major regional power &#8212; Iran &#8212; whose government appears dedicated to the same goal.</p>
<p>Moreover, although international law requires a state to have a lawful reason to use force &#8212; such as self-defense &#8212; it does not mandate that a state limit its military response to &#8220;tit for tat&#8221; actions. <strong>Once a country has suffered an armed attack, it is entitled to identify the source of that attack and to eliminate its adversary&#8217;s ability to attack again</strong>. Its actions must be consistent with otherwise applicable international norms, but it is not required to accept a limited conflict that fails to meet and resolve the danger it faces.</p>
<p>That Lebanon has suffered from Israel&#8217;s actions does not change the legal rules involved. No state has the right to permit a foreign military force to use its territory to launch attacks against another country. Indeed, every country has an obligation to control its own territory. Lebanon&#8217;s failure (or refusal) to expel Hezbollah would in and of itself have been a legitimate cause for Israeli military action. It was the Taliban&#8217;s sheltering of al-Qaeda that was the basis of the U.S. attack on Afghanistan in 2001. And, although the current Lebanese government is certainly more democratic than the feudalistic Taliban, democratic credentials cannot insulate a state from responsibility for controlling its territory.</p>
<p>The specific aspects of Israel&#8217;s military operations in Lebanon and Gaza have also been condemned as being disproportionate and as thereby violating the laws of war. Although there is some grim humor in the spectacle of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose troops have ravaged Chechnya, criticizing Israel for a &#8220;disproportionate&#8221; use of force, the claims &#8212; including dark warnings from Louise Arbour, U.N. high commissioner for human rights, about &#8220;war crimes&#8221; liability for Israel&#8217;s leaders &#8212; are without merit.</p>
<p>An army must always eschew deliberate attacks on civilians and consider whether the military advantage to be gained from an operation is sufficiently important to justify potential collateral damage to civilians. <strong>But this does not mean that installations and infrastructure, such as airports, bridges and the power grid, cannot be legally attacked. </strong>These are all dual-use targets &#8212; having a civilian character but also clear military value. Indeed, in NATO&#8217;s 1999 war against Serbia, exactly the same set of targets was attacked &#8212; with the agreement and approval of the European governments involved. In the current conflict, Israel&#8217;s primary military purpose in attacking these targets appears to be to cut Hezbollah&#8217;s supply lines, not to punish Lebanon.</p>
<p><strong>Similarly, the occurrence of civilian casualties, or the fact that more Lebanese civilians have died than Israelis, does not prove that Israel has used disproportionate force.</strong> The law forbids an operation only if the hoped-for military benefit would be clearly disproportionate to the likely injury to the civilian population. Proportionality, however, must be calculated in the context of the entire conflict, and any civilian lives lost must be balanced against civilian lives saved.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, heavy civilian casualties are the inherent and inevitable result of the type of asymmetric warfare deliberately waged by Hezbollah and similar groups. They intentionally operate from civilian areas, both to protect their military capabilities from attack and to increase civilian deaths, which can then be trumpeted for propaganda purposes. But the presence of a large civilian population does not immunize Hezbollah or Hamas forces from attack. Responsibility for any additional civilian casualties must be attributed to those groups, not to Israel. The adoption of any other rule would reward and encourage the illegal behavior of such &#8220;unlawful&#8221; combatants, which would simply result in more danger to innocent civilians in the future.</p>
<p>Israel may legally seek victory in Lebanon, even if it requires a combination of ground and air operations, takes weeks to accomplish and results in civilian casualties. It is under no obligation to agree to an early cease-fire unless the terms of that agreement would vindicate its legitimate war aims: the security of its population from attack.</p>
<p>The legal rights Israel is exercising to defend itself today are the very same legal rights on which the United States must rely in the war on terrorism. Attempts to revise the traditional laws of war &#8212; moving toward a law-enforcement paradigm &#8212; so that law-abiding states cannot effectively protect their own populations from attack or even defend their territory from armed incursion are not humanitarian advances. They simply make the world safer for those who reject any notion of law in war.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hizbullah&#039;s intentions have been no secret since the 80&#039;s, man...

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		<title>By: Cozy Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cozy Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quick Israel News Roundup&lt;/strong&gt;

Iran is sending suicide bombers -- to Lebanon. Watch for large explosions, to be blamed on the IDF, with civilian casualties. Thank you, IAF, for stopping some counterfeiters. Could you pass some Lessons Learned onto the Secret Service? History repeats...

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<p>Iran is sending suicide bombers &#8212; to Lebanon. Watch for large explosions, to be blamed on the IDF, with civilian casualties. Thank you, IAF, for stopping some counterfeiters. Could you pass some Lessons Learned onto the Secret Service? History repeats&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone answer the list of questions at the top of today&#039;s blog, please?



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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo that.  This is a fantastic blog filled with very useful information to pass on to the next blogger.  I don&#039;t know how you do it, but I hope you keep up the good work!

Washington DC



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo that.  This is a fantastic blog filled with very useful information to pass on to the next blogger.  I don&#8217;t know how you do it, but I hope you keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Washington DC</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I just want to say thank you for all of the effort you are putting into this liveblogging. It is greatly appreciated here.

Zoe in Northern California USA

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<p>Zoe in Northern California USA</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also seem to be mistaken about this history of the region. Israel did not &quot;create&quot; Hizb&#039;allah. They were there all along, before Israel invaded Lebanon, just under different names such as Fatah and PLO. Israel invaded Lebanon after Lebanese-based forces attacked them without provocation. Sound familiar?

The problem here is the warmongering factions constantly attacking Israel. As for the rocket attacks, they are becoming less and less successful. It takes time to degrade the capability. Soon the numbers will begin to tail off as well, then they will stop, as long as the pressure can be kept up and the rockets can be destroyed. The other commenter is correct, they are not home-made, they are mass-manufactured in Iran and Syria and transported into Lebanon.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also seem to be mistaken about this history of the region. Israel did not &#8220;create&#8221; Hizb&#8217;allah. They were there all along, before Israel invaded Lebanon, just under different names such as Fatah and PLO. Israel invaded Lebanon after Lebanese-based forces attacked them without provocation. Sound familiar?</p>
<p>The problem here is the warmongering factions constantly attacking Israel. As for the rocket attacks, they are becoming less and less successful. It takes time to degrade the capability. Soon the numbers will begin to tail off as well, then they will stop, as long as the pressure can be kept up and the rockets can be destroyed. The other commenter is correct, they are not home-made, they are mass-manufactured in Iran and Syria and transported into Lebanon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were threatening to remove the hostages they took to Iran. One way to do that would have been via the airport. Therefore, the airport was disabled. Simple enough for you? No semantics argument there.

As for the power plant, it takes power to run an army, or a terrorist organization. A lack of power will mean they will have trouble communicating, trouble planning, etc.

They are both military targets.

Blowing up the roads won&#039;t stop the transport of the missiles? How do you know, are you a military expert? It&#039;d say it will severely restrict the deliveries of missiles. Most of them would have come in on trucks, I would guess. No roads means they have to go off-road or bring them in on foot.

I&#039;m not a General, I don&#039;t pretend to know exactly why they target each facility they do, I can guess but it&#039;s only a guess. Ultimately they know better than I do what to target in order to degrate the enemy capabilities. As long as they continue warning civilians and attacking targets they believe have military value, I believe they are acting within any relevant conventions.

If Hizb&#039;allah is not designed to destroy Israel, why do they constantly say that&#039;s what they&#039;re trying to do? Maybe they lack the capability, but not the will. Do you know the history of the region? Do you know how many times Israel&#039;s existence and people WERE seriously threatened with annihalation? If you do then you would expect the Israelis not to take such threats lightly. Iran and Syria and Hizb&#039;allah continue to threaten to destroy Israel. They take the threats seriously. I would too.

I can&#039;t be bothered replying to the rest of your post, since you seem to be going off the rails.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were threatening to remove the hostages they took to Iran. One way to do that would have been via the airport. Therefore, the airport was disabled. Simple enough for you? No semantics argument there.</p>
<p>As for the power plant, it takes power to run an army, or a terrorist organization. A lack of power will mean they will have trouble communicating, trouble planning, etc.</p>
<p>They are both military targets.</p>
<p>Blowing up the roads won&#8217;t stop the transport of the missiles? How do you know, are you a military expert? It&#8217;d say it will severely restrict the deliveries of missiles. Most of them would have come in on trucks, I would guess. No roads means they have to go off-road or bring them in on foot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a General, I don&#8217;t pretend to know exactly why they target each facility they do, I can guess but it&#8217;s only a guess. Ultimately they know better than I do what to target in order to degrate the enemy capabilities. As long as they continue warning civilians and attacking targets they believe have military value, I believe they are acting within any relevant conventions.</p>
<p>If Hizb&#8217;allah is not designed to destroy Israel, why do they constantly say that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re trying to do? Maybe they lack the capability, but not the will. Do you know the history of the region? Do you know how many times Israel&#8217;s existence and people WERE seriously threatened with annihalation? If you do then you would expect the Israelis not to take such threats lightly. Iran and Syria and Hizb&#8217;allah continue to threaten to destroy Israel. They take the threats seriously. I would too.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t be bothered replying to the rest of your post, since you seem to be going off the rails.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;MidEast War: XLII&lt;/strong&gt;

Smoke rises from Khiam village after being hit by Israeli air strikes, in southern Lebanon. July 25, 2006 12:00 PDT Frequent updates. Scroll. Previous coverage @ right. Links to Lebanese and Israeli bloggers covering the conflict are @ Truth...

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<p>Smoke rises from Khiam village after being hit by Israeli air strikes, in southern Lebanon. July 25, 2006 12:00 PDT Frequent updates. Scroll. Previous coverage @ right. Links to Lebanese and Israeli bloggers covering the conflict are @ Truth&#8230;</p>
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