Comments on: Fighting Frogs http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:09:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1-alpha-10188 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8075 Anonymous Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:49:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8075 <blockquote>I guess preventing Hizbullah terror attacks does not speak to the French electorate.</blockquote> No - Hizbullah terror attacks against Israel do not make French UNIFIL soldiers feel threatened. Israeli planes flying over doing pretend bombing raids <em>does</em> make them feel threatened. The problem is not the French electorate, it's the ridiculous rule (I don't know if it's to do with 1701 or not) that you can shoot at what makes you feel nervous. What if I don't like redheads? they make me feel threatened in my Gallic masculinity?

I guess preventing Hizbullah terror attacks does not speak to the French electorate.

No - Hizbullah terror attacks against Israel do not make French UNIFIL soldiers feel threatened. Israeli planes flying over doing pretend bombing raids does make them feel threatened.

The problem is not the French electorate, it’s the ridiculous rule (I don’t know if it’s to do with 1701 or not) that you can shoot at what makes you feel nervous. What if I don’t like redheads? they make me feel threatened in my Gallic masculinity?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8073 Anonymous Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:50:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8073 And do you really think that your talended pilots did not know that under their expensives planes some French troops are. And if they just wanna do a dry run, why don't they do it over an israely desrt? For a dry training run their is no need of a UN troop under it, or are the talented pilots are already training to shoot UN troops cause of wrong maps? It wouldn't harm anybody and not violate the UN resolution to do your dry runs of your own country. Tthis is just a show of the israel military power that produce more inutil hate aganst them. Then I wonder why you like that? To fly over Lebanon to check the enemy whatever, nobody realy did care of it before (besides some talks from the french). The only think I wonder here is that you do not see any think wrong on your military. To the policeman what i could read in the french newspaper it seems to be clear that he worked in self defence. So i hope that will be cleared soon and he can go home. And do you really think that your talended pilots did not know that under their expensives planes some French troops are. And if they just wanna do a dry run, why don’t they do it over an israely desrt? For a dry training run their is no need of a UN troop under it, or are the talented pilots are already training to shoot UN troops cause of wrong maps? It wouldn’t harm anybody and not violate the UN resolution to do your dry runs of your own country. Tthis is just a show of the israel military power that produce more inutil hate aganst them. Then I wonder why you like that? To fly over Lebanon to check the enemy whatever, nobody realy did care of it before (besides some talks from the french). The only think I wonder here is that you do not see any think wrong on your military.

To the policeman what i could read in the french newspaper it seems to be clear that he worked in self defence. So i hope that will be cleared soon and he can go home.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8074 Anonymous Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:34:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8074 <a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/11/goemail_from_fr.html" rel="nofollow"><b>More news from Fwance</b></a>. Buy the just-published book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1594031517/ref=s9_asin_title/102-7477104-1675365" rel="nofollow"><b>Betrayal: France, the Arabs, and the Jews</b></a>, David Pryce-Jones. More news from Fwance.

Buy the just-published book Betrayal: France, the Arabs, and the Jews, David Pryce-Jones.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8072 Anonymous Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:09:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8072 I just heard on the morning news that the above-mentioned French officer has been arrested. I'll also try not to draw any conclusions without knowing the facts. Fair, Pomme? Shy Guy I just heard on the morning news that the above-mentioned French officer has been arrested. I’ll also try not to draw any conclusions without knowing the facts. Fair, Pomme?

Shy Guy

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8071 Anonymous Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:05:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8071 You're absolutely right, if you're correct. That's a big "if". I don't think the IDF would risk their expensives planes and talented pilots just to put on a stunt show for France in S. Lebanon. My guess is they were doing actual dry runs over enemy territory targets, where France and others presently are located. The IAF did this over Southern Beirut 2 weeks or so ago as well. I will, however, admit that there's one new <a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378471347&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" rel="nofollow"><b>very brave French officer</b></a> today! You’re absolutely right, if you’re correct. That’s a big “if”.

I don’t think the IDF would risk their expensives planes and talented pilots just to put on a stunt show for France in S. Lebanon.

My guess is they were doing actual dry runs over enemy territory targets, where France and others presently are located. The IAF did this over Southern Beirut 2 weeks or so ago as well.

I will, however, admit that there’s one new very brave French officer today!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8070 Anonymous Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:43:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8070 that is ok that the IDF needs to fly over south Libanon to get some news aboiut whatever happens thereBut I do not think that they see more if they pretdend to bomb an french UNIFIL Post. So I just ask cause I'minteressting what somebody from Israel think about it. Cause I think it was only made to make some troubles or o show of ?? And then I think a little bit more diciplin in the army wouldn't be that bad. Do you really think that the pilotes needed that mock bombing to see more of hisbolah?? If not I wonder why you think that such an action is great and why you are not critical against your own troops?? that is ok that the IDF needs to fly over south Libanon to get some news aboiut whatever happens thereBut I do not think that they see more if they pretdend to bomb an french UNIFIL Post. So I just ask cause I’minteressting what somebody from Israel think about it. Cause I think it was only made to make some troubles or o show of ?? And then I think a little bit more diciplin in the army wouldn’t be that bad. Do you really think that the pilotes needed that mock bombing to see more of hisbolah?? If not I wonder why you think that such an action is great and why you are not critical against your own troops??

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8069 Anonymous Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:16:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8069 Pomme, what didn't you understand about this part of the article: <blockquote><i>Last weekend, Maj.-Gen. Ido Nehushtan, head of the IDF Planning Directorate, traveled to Paris and met with military officials to explain why the IAF flies over Lebanon despite the UN-brokered cease-fire. Nehushtan, new to his post and previously deputy commander of the air force, told his French counterparts that Israel was conducting the flights to collect intelligence on Hizbullah positions in southern Lebanon. According to the French officer, Nehushtan apologized for an incident on October 31 when an IAF fighter carried out a mock bombing run over a French UNIFIL position in southern Lebanon, almost prompting troops to fire anti-aircraft missiles.</i></blockquote> Dave, new relevant book just out: <a href="http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/11/19/david-pryce-joness-new-book-betrayal/" rel="nofollow"><b>Betrayal: France, the Arabs and the Jews</b></a>. Perfect timing. Shy Guy Pomme, what didn’t you understand about this part of the article:

Last weekend, Maj.-Gen. Ido Nehushtan, head of the IDF Planning Directorate, traveled to Paris and met with military officials to explain why the IAF flies over Lebanon despite the UN-brokered cease-fire.

Nehushtan, new to his post and previously deputy commander of the air force, told his French counterparts that Israel was conducting the flights to collect intelligence on Hizbullah positions in southern Lebanon.

According to the French officer, Nehushtan apologized for an incident on October 31 when an IAF fighter carried out a mock bombing run over a French UNIFIL position in southern Lebanon, almost prompting troops to fire anti-aircraft missiles.

Dave, new relevant book just out: Betrayal: France, the Arabs and the Jews. Perfect timing.

Shy Guy

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8068 Anonymous Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:15:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8068 In my opinion these pretendet bombing attacks are not really a good idea of the IDF, even if I understand it well that the israli soldiers are angry with the troups from UNIFIL. Specially the french one who also in the past didn't do well in UN missions (Sarajevo..etc) and don't do much against the violation of hisbollah in south libanon, but they also didn't do anything against the air violation from israel. So in fact what would the IDF get with that pretend attack? that now french people and military dissmiss the IDF even more and think that they are really cruel without any respect to non juives humans?? The attack or what ever it was against the german boats and helicopter was may be a good think at the end, cause so it came out that the german goverment was liing to the parlament about the real posibility and rights of the german navy in that mission. And suddenly the germans after same talks with lebanon and israel are now allowed to control in the 6 mile range and control ships without asking the lebanon( at the moment). But still it could may be been done in another way, Germans can be talked to?? Specially cause germans population take the german role in these UNIFL mission quite sirious. And if you look in german newspapers and french newspapers, you see a big diffrence about the way how they talk about israel, IDF etc... So some of those needless use of force doesn't make a positive sense for me, cause I do not believe, that Israel will be able to live once in peace like other european countries if they only believe in their millitary shows. And what would you think of if the french, spanish and who ever there is would shood around not on your airplains or just pretend to attack them?? Without any menace of their side? The past has shown that the IDF doesn't care too much about UN-Soldiers life in their control positions, so that the goverments are a little bit angry and concerned after that, is normal?? It is their job to protect their soldiers and if IDF already pretend to shoot in "Peace"... What will happen in future when hisboolla attacks again?? Every goverment would be angry after such an attack. So why you wonder about it?? And do you really think, that french soldiers are now after that attack willing to work harder against hisbolla?? In my opinion these pretendet bombing attacks are not really a good idea of the IDF, even if I understand it well that the israli soldiers are angry with the troups from UNIFIL. Specially the french one who also in the past didn’t do well in UN missions (Sarajevo..etc) and don’t do much against the violation of hisbollah in south libanon, but they also didn’t do anything against the air violation from israel. So in fact what would the IDF get with that pretend attack? that now french people and military dissmiss the IDF even more and think that they are really cruel without any respect to non juives humans?? The attack or what ever it was against the german boats and helicopter was may be a good think at the end, cause so it came out that the german goverment was liing to the parlament about the real posibility and rights of the german navy in that mission. And suddenly the germans after same talks with lebanon and israel are now allowed to control in the 6 mile range and control ships without asking the lebanon( at the moment). But still it could may be been done in another way, Germans can be talked to?? Specially cause germans population take the german role in these UNIFL mission quite sirious. And if you look in german newspapers and french newspapers, you see a big diffrence about the way how they talk about israel, IDF etc… So some of those needless use of force doesn’t make a positive sense for me, cause I do not believe, that Israel will be able to live once in peace like other european countries if they only believe in their millitary shows.

And what would you think of if the french, spanish and who ever there is would shood around not on your airplains or just pretend to attack them?? Without any menace of their side? The past has shown that the IDF doesn’t care too much about UN-Soldiers life in their control positions, so that the goverments are a little bit angry and concerned after that, is normal?? It is their job to protect their soldiers and if IDF already pretend to shoot in “Peace”… What will happen in future when hisboolla attacks again?? Every goverment would be angry after such an attack. So why you wonder about it?? And do you really think, that french soldiers are now after that attack willing to work harder against hisbolla??

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8067 Anonymous Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:04:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/23/fighting-frogs/#comment-8067 You crack me up Dave... but I am getting quite tense with whats happening in the world. You crack me up Dave… but I am getting quite tense with whats happening in the world.

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