Comments on: The Brutal Death of a Father http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Fri, 25 May 2012 15:48:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8740 Anonymous Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:24:14 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8740 why is it that jews are so much better than muslims? Why do they have such a unique capacity for remorse and introspection that you seem to feel muslims don't. Tell me Stan. why is it that jews are so much better than muslims? Why do they have such a unique capacity for remorse and introspection that you seem to feel muslims don’t. Tell me Stan.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8739 Anonymous Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:12:56 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8739 You are simply wrong. Jews do mourn the deaths of Muslims. Even in wartime. There is great remorse and self introspection when innocent Muslims are killed during Israeli attacks on military targets. There are usually inquiries, and sometimes even prosecutions.When a Muslim stabs to death a pregnant woman, and kills at point blank range her four children, he is considered a "hero".You are being an apologist for horrible brutality. Although everyone views the world through their own lens (as you say), you can use that as an excuse for the holocaust, or the present day genocide in Darfur. Your logic makes these actions defensible.Stan You are simply wrong. Jews do mourn the deaths of Muslims. Even in wartime. There is great remorse and self introspection when innocent Muslims are killed during Israeli attacks on military targets. There are usually inquiries, and sometimes even prosecutions.

When a Muslim stabs to death a pregnant woman, and kills at point blank range her four children, he is considered a “hero”.

You are being an apologist for horrible brutality. Although everyone views the world through their own lens (as you say), you can use that as an excuse for the holocaust, or the present day genocide in Darfur. Your logic makes these actions defensible.

Stan

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8738 Anonymous Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:17:38 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8738 I agree the key is to keep it marginalized. My point is only this: Aussie Dave and most ardent supporters of either Israel or the Palestinian cause for that matter interpret every fact/happening through the lens of their pre-existing beliefs. This allows Aussie Dave to get all mournful about the loss of Erez Levanon and at the same time respond viciously (look back on what he says about her parents who lost their daughter) when Rachel Corrie is bulldozed. To people like Aussie Dave, Israel can do no wrong, Arabs can do no right, jewish life is worth more than any other life and he will perform amazing mental gymnastics to explain anything Israel did (Rachel Corrie must have deserved to be killed by a bulldozer, any picture showing damage caused by Israeli warplanes is a forgery put forth by those evil terrorists at AP). This is what also allows a person to simply make up facts ("99% of jews ...", "Baruch Goldstein knew of a plot to kill jews and killed the terorists first").As for Islam and Judaism being essentially the same religion, why not leaf through the Koran and see that it recounts stories about Moses, Abraham and many other stories from the Torah. I find it amazing that Hashem and Allah are THE SAME ENTITY. We pray to the same God for Christ's sake (Christians do too for that matter). Until we accept that all people are the same and jews mourn Rachel Corrie the same as they mourn Erez Levanon and Arabs mourn the death of a jew the same as they mourn the death of a muslim, this war/hatred over a hairsplit difference in beliefs will never end. Oh ya, my name is David. I agree the key is to keep it marginalized. My point is only this: Aussie Dave and most ardent supporters of either Israel or the Palestinian cause for that matter interpret every fact/happening through the lens of their pre-existing beliefs. This allows Aussie Dave to get all mournful about the loss of Erez Levanon and at the same time respond viciously (look back on what he says about her parents who lost their daughter) when Rachel Corrie is bulldozed. To people like Aussie Dave, Israel can do no wrong, Arabs can do no right, jewish life is worth more than any other life and he will perform amazing mental gymnastics to explain anything Israel did (Rachel Corrie must have deserved to be killed by a bulldozer, any picture showing damage caused by Israeli warplanes is a forgery put forth by those evil terrorists at AP). This is what also allows a person to simply make up facts (“99% of jews …”, “Baruch Goldstein knew of a plot to kill jews and killed the terorists first”).

As for Islam and Judaism being essentially the same religion, why not leaf through the Koran and see that it recounts stories about Moses, Abraham and many other stories from the Torah. I find it amazing that Hashem and Allah are THE SAME ENTITY. We pray to the same God for Christ’s sake (Christians do too for that matter). Until we accept that all people are the same and jews mourn Rachel Corrie the same as they mourn Erez Levanon and Arabs mourn the death of a jew the same as they mourn the death of a muslim, this war/hatred over a hairsplit difference in beliefs will never end. Oh ya, my name is David.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8737 Anonymous Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:16:13 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8737 The key to extremism is to keep it small and marginalized. You are correct that it is possible for anyone, Jews included, to commit such acts. However, the basic issue is is such extremism small and marginalized?Well, since Goldstein did what he did 13 years ago there have been very few other "Goldsteins". In short, Jews have kept it small and marginalized.On the other hand, organizations such as Hamas and Fatah are mainstream. And they are not small either. The culture that they have created is what allows two 18 year old men to think that murdering a lone man in prayer is "normal". The key to extremism is to keep it small and marginalized. You are correct that it is possible for anyone, Jews included, to commit such acts. However, the basic issue is is such extremism small and marginalized?

Well, since Goldstein did what he did 13 years ago there have been very few other “Goldsteins”. In short, Jews have kept it small and marginalized.

On the other hand, organizations such as Hamas and Fatah are mainstream. And they are not small either. The culture that they have created is what allows two 18 year old men to think that murdering a lone man in prayer is “normal”.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8741 Anonymous Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:19:13 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8741 I have posted your comments about the media news blackout on the story on my blog www.BrucesMidEastSoundbites.blogspot.com<a href="http://brucesmideastsoundbites.blogspot.com/2007/02/erez-levanon-of-blessed-memory.html" rel="nofollow"></a>Thankx,Bruce I have posted your comments about the media news blackout on the story on my blog http://www.BrucesMidEastSoundbites.blogspot.com

Thankx,

Bruce

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8736 Anonymous Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:38:33 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8736 Get the whole story. Baruch Goldstein had advance notice of a terrorist attack that was planned and was to be carried out by many of the men in that mosque. When government leaders support terrorists, then others must take the law into their own hands in order to defend their country. Did innocent people die? I don't know (and neither do you) but Islam is a violent religion so you reap the benefits of your beliefs. You also fail to mention that Dr. Goldstein treated many Arabs without question. (BTW, you could have at least given your name.) Get the whole story. Baruch Goldstein had advance notice of a terrorist attack that was planned and was to be carried out by many of the men in that mosque. When government leaders support terrorists, then others must take the law into their own hands in order to defend their country. Did innocent people die? I don’t know (and neither do you) but Islam is a violent religion so you reap the benefits of your beliefs. You also fail to mention that Dr. Goldstein treated many Arabs without question. (BTW, you could have at least given your name.)

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8735 Anonymous Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:41:38 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8735 No, actually I would say 95% is underestimating it. More like 99.9% of Jews denounced what he did.So Jews also do bad things....what's your point?Islam and Judaism almost the exact same religion? That is probably the most ridiculous of your comments (which is saying a lot). How about backing it up with some facts? No, actually I would say 95% is underestimating it. More like 99.9% of Jews denounced what he did.

So Jews also do bad things….what’s your point?

Islam and Judaism almost the exact same religion? That is probably the most ridiculous of your comments (which is saying a lot). How about backing it up with some facts?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8734 Anonymous Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:54:55 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8734 95% or more of jews denounced what he did? That is the type of statistic you have simply made up to support your argument. My point was simply that jews also do bad things. Until people like aussie dave and you will accept that jews are no more moral or better than muslims (it is after all almost the exact same religion), the killing will not stop. 95% or more of jews denounced what he did? That is the type of statistic you have simply made up to support your argument. My point was simply that jews also do bad things. Until people like aussie dave and you will accept that jews are no more moral or better than muslims (it is after all almost the exact same religion), the killing will not stop.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8733 Anonymous Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:30:24 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8733 Baruch Goldstein was quickly denounced by 95% or more of Jews, worldwide, who went out of their way to find Muslims to apologize to and make the point that his actions were not considered proper. When Muslims murder Jews - which happens on a very regular basis - they are hailed as heros by other Muslims. Sometimes there are voiced denouncing the killing - but generally only as poor strategy. Baruch Goldstein was quickly denounced by 95% or more of Jews, worldwide, who went out of their way to find Muslims to apologize to and make the point that his actions were not considered proper. When Muslims murder Jews – which happens on a very regular basis – they are hailed as heros by other Muslims. Sometimes there are voiced denouncing the killing – but generally only as poor strategy.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/comment-page-1/#comment-8732 Anonymous Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:04:17 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/02/27/the-brutal-death-of-a-father/#comment-8732 How many Baruch Goldsteins are there? Answer: a statistically insignificant number compared to the unending tidal wave of evil Islamofascist murderers. How many Baruch Goldsteins are there? Answer: a statistically insignificant number compared to the unending tidal wave of evil Islamofascist murderers.

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