Comments on: The Incredibly Sloppy and Dishonest Ed http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Fri, 25 May 2012 15:48:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8773 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:24:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8773 "<em>The fact that you single out Israel, trying to find fault in the way she treats her non-Jewish citizens</em>," -DaveYou seem confused. It was you who drew attention to the articles that contained criticism of Israel.And why would any posts on my blog be devoted to criticism of "Muslim states" when it's devoted to HonestReporting?I might just as well ask you why you aren't discussing the ecomomy of Iceland in your blog. “The fact that you single out Israel, trying to find fault in the way she treats her non-Jewish citizens,” -Dave

You seem confused. It was you who drew attention to the articles that contained criticism of Israel.

And why would any posts on my blog be devoted to criticism of “Muslim states” when it’s devoted to HonestReporting?

I might just as well ask you why you aren’t discussing the ecomomy of Iceland in your blog.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8764 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:17:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8764 So in other words, you admit that Ms Tartman has said that Arabs could be stripped of their citizenship. That is what Tartman has espoused and what O'Loughlin reported - there is no dishonesty.The headline "Take citizenship off Arab Israelis: MP." is totally accurate. So in other words, you admit that Ms Tartman has said that Arabs could be stripped of their citizenship. That is what Tartman has espoused and what O’Loughlin reported – there is no dishonesty.

The headline “Take citizenship off Arab Israelis: MP.” is totally accurate.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8772 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:04:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8772 I rest my case.Can you point to one post on your blog(s) which you devote to criticizing the Muslim states' treatment of its citizens?of course not...you need help from me in even identifying a Muslim state to criticize. I rest my case.

Can you point to one post on your blog(s) which you devote to criticizing the Muslim states’ treatment of its citizens?

of course not…you need help from me in even identifying a Muslim state to criticize.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8771 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:59:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8771 Sory I thought this was Israellycool, not Islamocool, and the topic was the article about Israel that you posted.What do you want me to say about which "Muslim State"? Sory I thought this was Israellycool, not Islamocool, and the topic was the article about Israel that you posted.

What do you want me to say about which “Muslim State”?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8763 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:08:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8763 I spelled it out in my post.<blockquote>O'Loughlin is clearly connecting the issue of disloyal citizens being stripped of citizenship with the wider issue of Arab-Israeli rights in Israel. But notice how Tartman spoke of rescinding the citizenship of citizens not loyal to the idea of a Jewish state, and not specifically Arab-Israelis. This could theoretically include other groups - such as Jews - and not just Arab-Israelis (although this phenomenon is obviously more prevalent in the Arab-Israeli sector).In fact, The Age's version of this story - also written by O'Loughlin - actually spells this out.<blockquote>In the interview, Ms Tartman said Arabs and ultra-Orthodox Jews who refused to sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel as a Jewish state and then to perform national service should be allowed to remain only as residents without citizens' rights.</blockquote>This does not, however, deter O'Loughlin (or the Age editors, as the case may be) from using the misleading (and inflammatory) headline Take citizenship off Arab Israelis: MP.</blockquote>Please read the posts more carefully. I spelled it out in my post.

O’Loughlin is clearly connecting the issue of disloyal citizens being stripped of citizenship with the wider issue of Arab-Israeli rights in Israel. But notice how Tartman spoke of rescinding the citizenship of citizens not loyal to the idea of a Jewish state, and not specifically Arab-Israelis. This could theoretically include other groups – such as Jews – and not just Arab-Israelis (although this phenomenon is obviously more prevalent in the Arab-Israeli sector).

In fact, The Age’s version of this story – also written by O’Loughlin – actually spells this out.

In the interview, Ms Tartman said Arabs and ultra-Orthodox Jews who refused to sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel as a Jewish state and then to perform national service should be allowed to remain only as residents without citizens’ rights.

This does not, however, deter O’Loughlin (or the Age editors, as the case may be) from using the misleading (and inflammatory) headline Take citizenship off Arab Israelis: MP.

Please read the posts more carefully.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8762 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:03:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8762 Tartman does indeed want to strip the citizenship of Israeli-Palestinians who don't pledge support to a "Jewish state".This is absolutely true. Are you really denying it? Because O'Loughlin can only have been dishonest if it isn't true.And the headline is also accurate. You can argue that you don'tl ike it, or that it could have said something else - but it is accurately reflecting a significant part of the article.Where is the dishonesty?? Tartman does indeed want to strip the citizenship of Israeli-Palestinians who don’t pledge support to a “Jewish state”.

This is absolutely true. Are you really denying it? Because O’Loughlin can only have been dishonest if it isn’t true.

And the headline is also accurate. You can argue that you don’tl ike it, or that it could have said something else – but it is accurately reflecting a significant part of the article.

Where is the dishonesty??

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8761 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:26:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8761 I have not seen you refute my claims that he seems to have acted dishonestly in the way he has reported this story. I have not seen you refute my claims that he seems to have acted dishonestly in the way he has reported this story.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8770 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:20:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8770 Yes, and now I asked you why you never comment on the Muslim states - not on here, and not on any of your blogs. If human rights were your prime concern, I would expect you to be spending most of your time on the situation in these countries. Yes, and now I asked you why you never comment on the Muslim states – not on here, and not on any of your blogs. If human rights were your prime concern, I would expect you to be spending most of your time on the situation in these countries.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8760 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:06:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8760 I apologise.Of course there is no chance whatsoever of you apologizing to Ed O'Loughin for accusing him, falsely, of dishonesty. I apologise.

Of course there is no chance whatsoever of you apologizing to Ed O’Loughin for accusing him, falsely, of dishonesty.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/comment-page-1/#comment-8769 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:01:00 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/03/01/the-incredibly-sloppy-and-dishonest-ed/#comment-8769 Well, let me see Dave.....I commented on the issue of Ms Tartman because you brought it up, and I commented on the Israeli President becuase you brought that up too! Well, let me see Dave…..I commented on the issue of Ms Tartman because you brought it up, and I commented on the Israeli President becuase you brought that up too!

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