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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/06/26/not-so-fair-weathered-friends/#comment-9422</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I didn't mean to pop up as "Anonymous" in my reply to Stan above.

Also shouldn't have signed off without thanking Dave for the mind-blowing CNN story. Keep up the good work.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I didn&#8217;t mean to pop up as &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; in my reply to Stan above.</p>
<p>Also shouldn&#8217;t have signed off without thanking Dave for the mind-blowing CNN story. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/06/26/not-so-fair-weathered-friends/#comment-9421</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan errs when he writes that "the Democratic party strongly supports Israel, as do most of the 'liberal' Jews like myself."

If liberals - especially liberal Jews - would step out of their hermetically sealed ideological box once in a while and actually take in some new information, they would know that the world has changed since they formed their political opinions in adolescence. I say this as someone who was a liberal Democrat all my life - until the 2004 election.

An &lt;a href="http://www.rjchq.org/media/pdf/poll-ad-fullsize.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;NBC/WSJ poll in July 2006&lt;/a&gt; found that 84% of Republicans support Israel vs 43% of Democrats.  An LA/Bloomberg poll at the same time showed that 69% of Republicans support strong U.S. ties with Israel. Democrats? Only 39%.

Read Richard Baehr at the American Thinker: &lt;a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/06/the_democrats_sign_up_with_the.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Democrats sign up with the anti-Semites&lt;/a&gt;. Or better yet, Omri at Mere Rhetoric, who has a &lt;a href="http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11273199.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;question for you&lt;/a&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan errs when he writes that &#8220;the Democratic party strongly supports Israel, as do most of the &#8216;liberal&#8217; Jews like myself.&#8221;</p>
<p>If liberals - especially liberal Jews - would step out of their hermetically sealed ideological box once in a while and actually take in some new information, they would know that the world has changed since they formed their political opinions in adolescence. I say this as someone who was a liberal Democrat all my life - until the 2004 election.</p>
<p>An <a href="http://www.rjchq.org/media/pdf/poll-ad-fullsize.pdf" rel="nofollow">NBC/WSJ poll in July 2006</a> found that 84% of Republicans support Israel vs 43% of Democrats.  An LA/Bloomberg poll at the same time showed that 69% of Republicans support strong U.S. ties with Israel. Democrats? Only 39%.</p>
<p>Read Richard Baehr at the American Thinker: <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/06/the_democrats_sign_up_with_the.html" rel="nofollow">The Democrats sign up with the anti-Semites</a>. Or better yet, Omri at Mere Rhetoric, who has a <a href="http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11273199.html" rel="nofollow">question for you</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/06/26/not-so-fair-weathered-friends/#comment-9420</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Liberal Jew.  80 percent of the Jewish population voted for Kerry.  I proudly did.

What people here don't seem to understand is that the Democratic party strongly supports Israel, as do most of the "liberal " Jews like myself.

There was a vote in the senate a few years ago, in support of Israel.  Only 2 senators voted against it.  Israel enjoys wide support from both parties.

The present administration is both corrupt, and outright stupid.  I am proud of the fact that for the most part Jews in America do not support it.  As far as some of the fringe  Jewish Leftists, there is no greater anti-semite than a self loathing Jew.

But, overall, Jews in America lean to the left, and Jews in America have been solid supporters of Israel from its birth through present.

I find it insulting sometimes when people in blogs act like support for Israel is a left right issue.  It is an issue of common sense and love of freedom.

Stan



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Liberal Jew.  80 percent of the Jewish population voted for Kerry.  I proudly did.</p>
<p>What people here don&#8217;t seem to understand is that the Democratic party strongly supports Israel, as do most of the &#8220;liberal &#8221; Jews like myself.</p>
<p>There was a vote in the senate a few years ago, in support of Israel.  Only 2 senators voted against it.  Israel enjoys wide support from both parties.</p>
<p>The present administration is both corrupt, and outright stupid.  I am proud of the fact that for the most part Jews in America do not support it.  As far as some of the fringe  Jewish Leftists, there is no greater anti-semite than a self loathing Jew.</p>
<p>But, overall, Jews in America lean to the left, and Jews in America have been solid supporters of Israel from its birth through present.</p>
<p>I find it insulting sometimes when people in blogs act like support for Israel is a left right issue.  It is an issue of common sense and love of freedom.</p>
<p>Stan</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outrageout. email has been sent to CNN. Just report the facts - keep personal bias out of the news, ESPECIALLY the weather....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outrageout. email has been sent to CNN. Just report the facts - keep personal bias out of the news, ESPECIALLY the weather&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/06/26/not-so-fair-weathered-friends/#comment-9430</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense; immigration reform, no child left behind, school vouchers... there are abundant social policy reasons why the Republican Party could attract at least a goodly proportion of socially liberal Jews -- unless that electorate was a prisoner of the bigoted conviction that 'those sort of people' were always 'up to no good'.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense; immigration reform, no child left behind, school vouchers&#8230; there are abundant social policy reasons why the Republican Party could attract at least a goodly proportion of socially liberal Jews &#8212; unless that electorate was a prisoner of the bigoted conviction that &#8216;those sort of people&#8217; were always &#8216;up to no good&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or it's simply that for some of us, democrats support more of the issues that we believe in - social programs, education, health care, etc. and republicans don't. Republicans also tend to be very bigoted.  If we were to choose only on "who is best for Israel" lines we might vote differently, but if we put everything together, many will vote for a party that supports the majority of their positions.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or it&#8217;s simply that for some of us, democrats support more of the issues that we believe in - social programs, education, health care, etc. and republicans don&#8217;t. Republicans also tend to be very bigoted.  If we were to choose only on &#8220;who is best for Israel&#8221; lines we might vote differently, but if we put everything together, many will vote for a party that supports the majority of their positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that CNN stuff is obnoxious and dangerous. The good people of Israel (whom I support 200% in their long battle with terrorism and military aggression) deserve better.

But on the _really_ interesting question of why Jewish people overwhelmingly vote for Left Wing parties, the uncomfortable truth is that most Jews of the West are extremely bigoted, and Conservative parties -- that are generally patriotic and support traditional values -- are rejected by Jewish voters for their association with Christianity and (in the USA and Australia at least) Anglo-Saxons.

Policy has nothing to do with it, the average Jewish voter would rather hurt Israel than vote for 'one of them'.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that CNN stuff is obnoxious and dangerous. The good people of Israel (whom I support 200% in their long battle with terrorism and military aggression) deserve better.</p>
<p>But on the _really_ interesting question of why Jewish people overwhelmingly vote for Left Wing parties, the uncomfortable truth is that most Jews of the West are extremely bigoted, and Conservative parties &#8212; that are generally patriotic and support traditional values &#8212; are rejected by Jewish voters for their association with Christianity and (in the USA and Australia at least) Anglo-Saxons.</p>
<p>Policy has nothing to do with it, the average Jewish voter would rather hurt Israel than vote for &#8216;one of them&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/06/26/not-so-fair-weathered-friends/#comment-9427</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just as suspicious and annoyed by leftist bias as the next guy -- but, speaking as a database programmer, this has the marks of an innocent database error.

I run a large web site myself that caters to an international audience.  If there's a keystroke error in updating the information for a city, it's quite easy for BOTH things you observed to happen: for Jerusalem to be missing its country designation, and for Jerusalem not to get filed properly when you browse for information by country.

In fact, you couldn't much have one without the other occurring at the same time; it's just how databases work.

So I'd cut 'em some slack on this one, assuming they fix the problem early.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just as suspicious and annoyed by leftist bias as the next guy &#8212; but, speaking as a database programmer, this has the marks of an innocent database error.</p>
<p>I run a large web site myself that caters to an international audience.  If there&#8217;s a keystroke error in updating the information for a city, it&#8217;s quite easy for BOTH things you observed to happen: for Jerusalem to be missing its country designation, and for Jerusalem not to get filed properly when you browse for information by country.</p>
<p>In fact, you couldn&#8217;t much have one without the other occurring at the same time; it&#8217;s just how databases work.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d cut &#8216;em some slack on this one, assuming they fix the problem early.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weather in Tel-Aviv- Yafo, Israel is listed. So i am not sure about what is going on here.

I do suspect CNN to be left-leaning at times

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weather in Tel-Aviv- Yafo, Israel is listed. So i am not sure about what is going on here.</p>
<p>I do suspect CNN to be left-leaning at times</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Akbara, an Arab village near Safed that has not existed since 1948"
It actually still exists. Just for the record.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Akbara, an Arab village near Safed that has not existed since 1948&#8243;<br />
It actually still exists. Just for the record.</p>
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