Comments on: The Hostile Entity http://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Fri, 25 May 2012 23:56:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Stanhttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/comment-page-1/#comment-10735 Stan Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:35:45 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/#comment-10735 We probably agree on what action needs to be taken, and I certainly agree that calling the current declaration by the government is like "well duh". I respect Barak. Barak is blamed for forging policy that was the majority opinion in Israel. When he ran for prime minister, he stated quite clearly that he was going to withdraw form Lebanon. The failed peace process he embarked on had the strong support of most of Israel. His actions as prime minister (right or wrong) represented the will of the people. I believe (of course it can't be proven) that under Peretz, we would not have seen the action against Syria, or the current movement against Gaza. I think Barak is strong willed and still quite pissed off over the treatment he got from the Palestinians when he extended a huge olive branch. On a side note. The huge olive branch he extended in many ways inversely defines the direction that must be taken. Let me explain. Many peace activists (such as myself) needed the unequivical offer of peace that he made to the Palestinians for moral reasons. By the same token the rejection of such a huge offer followed by terrorist attacks defines the nature of the two sides. It is clear that any thing short of military victory by Israel will sustain an unending war. I can only support this war knowing that the offer of peace failed. There is a tendency to blame Oslo for the problems of today. That is easy to do because there is a progression one can point to. This blame is a little to easy an out. We have no idea what the situation would be if there was a different course that was followed. Who can say, who can even say what that course would have been? I personally am satisfied with Oslo, from the standpoint (stated before) that huge sacrafices were offered for peace. I am satisfied with my current position that peace will only come through victory. There is no conflict within me over this. From listening to Barak in interviews, I think he has a similar view.Stan We probably agree on what action needs to be taken, and I certainly agree that calling the current declaration by the government is like “well duh”.
I respect Barak.
Barak is blamed for forging policy that was the majority opinion in Israel. When he ran for prime minister, he stated quite clearly that he was going to withdraw form Lebanon. The failed peace process he embarked on had the strong support of most of Israel. His actions as prime minister (right or wrong) represented the will of the people.
I believe (of course it can’t be proven) that under Peretz, we would not have seen the action against Syria, or the current movement against Gaza. I think Barak is strong willed and still quite pissed off over the treatment he got from the Palestinians when he extended a huge olive branch.
On a side note.
The huge olive branch he extended in many ways inversely defines the direction that must be taken.
Let me explain.
Many peace activists (such as myself) needed the unequivical offer of peace that he made to the Palestinians for moral reasons. By the same token the rejection of such a huge offer followed by terrorist attacks defines the nature of the two sides. It is clear that any thing short of military victory by Israel will sustain an unending war. I can only support this war knowing that the offer of peace failed.
There is a tendency to blame Oslo for the problems of today. That is easy to do because there is a progression one can point to. This blame is a little to easy an out. We have no idea what the situation would be if there was a different course that was followed. Who can say, who can even say what that course would have been?
I personally am satisfied with Oslo, from the standpoint (stated before) that huge sacrafices were offered for peace. I am satisfied with my current position that peace will only come through victory. There is no conflict within me over this.
From listening to Barak in interviews, I think he has a similar view.

Stan

]]> By: Israellycool » Blog Archive » Immediate Effecthttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/comment-page-1/#comment-10728 Israellycool » Blog Archive » Immediate Effect Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:38:13 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/#comment-10728 [...] yesterday’s decision to declare Gaza a hostile entity and disrupt electricity and fuel supplies, we are already seeing [...] [...] yesterday’s decision to declare Gaza a hostile entity and disrupt electricity and fuel supplies, we are already seeing [...]

]]> By: Shy Guyhttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/comment-page-1/#comment-10722 Shy Guy Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:18:18 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/#comment-10722 Stan, I suggest you research into Barak's military "accomplishments" during the Peace for Galilee War with Lebanon and Syria back in 1982. Plus look at his political failures as prime minister, specifically his military decisions in that capacity, for which we are reaping the rewards on all borders.There are better men than Barak but Olmert, Kadimah and Labor would never let them take the helm to do what has to be done.Anyone with a labotomy would have designated all of the PA - not just Gaza - as a hostile entity 2 decades ago.This is the government's "Doh" moment. How long have we suffered before they were forced to proclaim the obvious, after so much useless (and ongoing) hesitation?And for this you think Barak is a great generalisimo? Stand back and look at the forest - not just at the tree in front of you. Stan, I suggest you research into Barak’s military “accomplishments” during the Peace for Galilee War with Lebanon and Syria back in 1982. Plus look at his political failures as prime minister, specifically his military decisions in that capacity, for which we are reaping the rewards on all borders.

There are better men than Barak but Olmert, Kadimah and Labor would never let them take the helm to do what has to be done.

Anyone with a labotomy would have designated all of the PA – not just Gaza – as a hostile entity 2 decades ago.

This is the government’s “Doh” moment. How long have we suffered before they were forced to proclaim the obvious, after so much useless (and ongoing) hesitation?

And for this you think Barak is a great generalisimo? Stand back and look at the forest – not just at the tree in front of you.

]]> By: Stanhttp://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/comment-page-1/#comment-10707 Stan Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:41:42 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2007/09/19/the-hostile-entity/#comment-10707 I know people don't have much affection for Barak. I however, am very happy to see him as defense minister. He is a military man with knowledge of how to win if called upon to win. The question is, will he get that call? I don't think Olmert will allow an Israeli victory in Gaza. He will only be willing to take half way measures that will wind up in world condemnation and a psychological victory for Hamas. I of course hope I am wrong.Stan I know people don’t have much affection for Barak. I however, am very happy to see him as defense minister. He is a military man with knowledge of how to win if called upon to win. The question is, will he get that call? I don’t think Olmert will allow an Israeli victory in Gaza. He will only be willing to take half way measures that will wind up in world condemnation and a psychological victory for Hamas.
I of course hope I am wrong.

Stan

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