Coulter Skelter
';I might consider myself a Conservative, but that doesn’t stop me from finding conservative commentator Ann Coulter to be utterly offensive.
Media Matters has drawn my attention to an interview from the October 8 edition of CNBC’s The Big Idea (with Donny Deutsch) , in which Coulter espouses some rather vile views about Judaism and Jews.
DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We’re going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your — forget that any of them –
COULTER: I like this.
DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women’s — with abortion — what would this country look like?
COULTER: It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that’s what I think heaven is going to look like.
DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?
COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I’m talking about this country. You don’t want to make this country — it’s not about Republicans. I’m saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.
COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman [I-CT], the Republican Party would look like [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA] –
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don’t want — I’m not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more –
COULTER: We would be a lot safer.
DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because –
COULTER: Well, all of those things.
DEUTSCH: — I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate –
COULTER: Oh, no.
DEUTSCH: — that there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let’s give you — I’m going to give you — say this is your show.
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They’re Christian. They’re tolerant. They defend America, they –
DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you’re not.
DEUTSCH: I actually am. That’s not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were - if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists –
COULTER: Whenever I’m harangued by –
DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can’t believe that.
COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity –
DEUTSCH: Here you go again.
COULTER: No, it’s true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that’s really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it’s like they have a chip on their shoulder. They’re just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And –
DEUTSCH: I don’t agree with that. I don’t agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don’t see any more or less chips there either way. That’s erroneous.
COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire Seinfeld episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you’re lying.
DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some Seinfeld episode? OK.
COULTER: But yeah, I think that’s reflective of what’s going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.
DEUTSCH: That isn’t what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or –
COULTER: Yeah.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Well, it’s a lot easier. It’s kind of a fast track.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.
DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly believe that.
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly — you’re too educated, you can’t — you’re like my friend in –
COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean –
COULTER: We have the fast-track program.
DEUTSCH: Why don’t I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can’t believe that.
COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.
DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, “Let’s wipe Israel” –
COULTER: I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention.
DEUTSCH: “Let’s wipe Israel off the earth.” I mean, what, no Jews?
COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn’t really say that, did you?
COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we’re all sinners –
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there’s no –
COULTER: What’s absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I’m going to go off and try to perfect myself –
COULTER: Well, that’s what the New Testament says.
DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans, and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I’m offended by that personally. And we’ll have more Big Idea when we come back.
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DEUTSCH: Welcome back to The Big Idea. During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I’m going to give her a chance. So you don’t think that was offensive?
COULTER: No. I’m sorry. It is not intended to be. I don’t think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that’s why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don’t believe our testament.
DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, “Jews need to be perfected.” Those are the words out of your mouth.
COULTER: No, I’m saying that’s what a Christian is.
DEUTSCH: But that’s what you said — don’t you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic –
COULTER: No!
DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You’re an educated woman. How do you not see that?
COULTER: That isn’t hateful at all.
DEUTSCH: But that’s even a scarier thought. OK –
COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don’t want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean, [Rev. Jerry] Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is “Christ died for our sins.” We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.
You can view the interview at the Media Matters site, or download it from here.
Update: A number of commenters and other bloggers do not see the big deal with Coulter’s comments, nor why I should find them offensive. I find them offensive because they are offensive to any non-Christian. She has every right in the world to believe what she wants. But she deserves to be criticized for uttering such insensitive things.
Even if what she said is an accurate representation of Christian theology, saying this in a public forum is no less insensitive or offensive to non-Christians.
Don’t get me wrong. The Ann Coulters of the world are not the big threat to our freedoms and way of life. But that fact does not preclude her being deserving of criticism. After all, there’s a difference between feeling offended and feeling threatened.
Update: Thank you for the comments, even though I disagree with most of you so far.
My point is rather simple: Coulter degraded my religion, and this is offensive to me. Does it offend me that most Christians believe what she said? No, because they don’t rub my face in it, like Coulter did.
I am not offended by Coulter because of her Christian beliefs. I am offended because she showed a complete disregard for the feelings of others, those others beings practioners of other religions. In fact, one could argue that her disregard for other people’s feelings contravened the teachings of JC.
Why wouldn’t I be offended that someone went out of their way to publicly disrespect what I believe in?
She made a point of expressing her views on a television show, knowing many Jews would be watching, and that the liberal host would likely take her to task on it. Saying this is her style does not exonerate her.
I have a lot of respect for religious Christians, even though I reject many of their beliefs. We share a belief in the G-d of Abraham, and Christianity is based on many of Judaism’s moral principles. So don’t construe my comments as an attack on Christianity, or an attempt to stifle theological debate.
Other Reactions:
LindaSoG: “I am not going to toe the party line here. She was not just talking “shock” to sell her books or get attention and she was not misquoted or misunderstood. Ann said what she meant and she meant what she said.”
Omri: “This week’s manufactured Media Matters scandal is now online. The Jewish blogs and Democratic organizations are all over it. And wow, it is totally f***ing retarded. It combines the best elements of liberal sophistication: the banality of multiculturalist tolerance, the humorlessness of scolding identity politics, and the blubbering of righteous indignation.” [Aussie Dave: I don't agree with Omri here, but he certainly has a way with words].
Roger Simon: “Coulter is a cross between some nutcase passing out Jews for Jesus literature on Hollywood Boulevard and the Islamists she says she hates.”
The Anchoress: “This is a discussion best left to someone with a gift for diplomacy, a deft tongue and a loving, civil and collected mien. It is is absolutely not a discussion that should be undertaken by someone who has the deftness of a hammer and the mien of a German Shepherd.”
Ace: “It’s fairly standard for religions to assert their metaphysical rectitude and superiority, but we only seem to have these controversies when a Christian expresses it.”
LGF: “From my reading, Coulter was simply stating standard Christian doctrine—with a little extra edginess to get Deustch wound up. Looks like it worked, and now she’ll sell some more books as a result.”
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An Australian immigrant to Israel, Aussie Dave has been blogging since early 2003.
October 11th, 2007 at 2:56 am
It’s not secret that converting the world of non-believers is a central Christian (and Muslim, and Mormon and…) plank. Jews are an exception here, but we still want to spread monotheism globally. I don’t take offense to that at all. They are Christians for a reason and they have basic tenants of faith.
What I do care about is how it they want to action it. If through dialogue and even social ostracism, fine. I can exclude aggressive Christians from my simcha too. If through forced conversion, terrorism, public humilitation, denial of citizens rights etc… that’s not so cool.
All that being said, Coulter is vile.
October 11th, 2007 at 3:26 am
i concur, she’s comically opinionated and vile. anyone who does not believe God is one does not believe in the Tanakh. i’m conservative and identify as a messianic jew. christian church is in the Bible, she is: mystery babylon, mother of whores. Coulter can take her pagan, self-rightous crap and delicatly place it where the sun don’t shine. the Bible clearly says that not all are called and that countless jews have, are and will be called into the kingdom. ipray for jews to recognize hamashiach for who he is and for christians to stop worshipping him as God, and give up your babylonian trappings. may Adonai bless and keep you all.
*steps off self-rightous soapbox*
October 11th, 2007 at 5:34 am
“We Just Want Jews To Be Perfected”…
Ann Coulter:…
October 11th, 2007 at 11:47 am
My Coulter’s logic, Muslims could call themselves ‘perfected Christians’. I’d love for someone to shove that in her face.
October 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
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October 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
I haven’t a clue who Ann Coulter or Donny Deutsch are, so I don’t know what angle they are approaching each other from, however reading the transcript, it would appear to me to be a perfect example of why religion is the cause of so many problems.
It would appear that this is a fairly insipid conversation that turns nasty when one religious view point is expressed that is contrary to the other persons religious belief. Christians do believe that they are “better” than Jews, because they have seen the “true path” to “G_d”, where as the Jews having been shown the new “true path” (as opposed to the old one), don’t accept it. This is the reasoning that gave us the Spanish Inquisition and all other attempts by Christians to “correct” the errors of the Jews.
As DU Poisoning points out, Muslims believe that they are “better” than both the Jews and Christians. They too have been shown the new “true path” to “G_d”, where as the Jews and Christians having been shown it don’t accept it (They are sticking with the very old one and the old one). This is the reasoning behind the Islamist movements, and why “moderate” Muslims do not condemn the Islamist actions, because the non-Muslims need to be “educated”.
And here I’m just talking about three religions that believe in the same G_d, and haven’t even got on to all the rest…
Differing religious belief always has, is currently and always will be the cause of violence and struggle, and there is no way round this while people still believe.
I’m sorry Aussie Dave, to me your posting and comment about this is doing exactly the same thing as you accuse Ann Coulter of.
(And I haven’t mentioned the rugby).
October 11th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I don’t see anything suprising in Coulter’s opinion from the Christian viewpoint.
After all, we Torah observant Jews view most of Christianity as a violation of the Noahide Law forbidding idol worship. (Nevermind the irony of Christians violating this and espousing the greatness of the 10 Commandment at the same time).
Ann Coulter is not our problem right now. Keep your eye on the ball.
October 11th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
I’m a Christian who seldom gives Ann Coulter a second thought. Also, I refuse to attend any church that teaches that Christ is the same as or equal to God in power or glory, which leaves me home on Sunday mornings. I believe this is a major mistake and clearly against the teachings of the Old and the New Testamnets. That said, I don’t see how what she said was offensive until after the break where she clarifies that she thinks Christians are “perfected Jews” which is fairly offensive.
But just saying she wants Jews to be perfected… How is that offensive? I can’t imagine not wanting to be perfected by God. Christ talks of us being “refined by fire” like gold having its impurities burned away.
So the simple act of saying Jews should be perfected? Not offensive. Coming back and saying if they were perfected, they’d be Christians? Yeah, pretty offensive.
And please, don’t think that everyone who calls himself a Christian believes that Christ is God, or worships Christ.
I worship God, Christ was just a handy sign-post, and said so himself (Matthew 7:21-23).
October 11th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
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October 11th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
I am not a religious person, but I have an opinion about this post. (1) Coulter is first and foremost a comedian. (2) She phrases ideas in the starkest possible terms to get a rise out of an audience.
As to whether Christians feel themselves improved or “perfected” Jews (and, though I received 16 years of Catholic education, I never before heard the term “perfected Jews”) that is a stark description one might use for the way Christians feel about themselves. But If they did not feel something like that way, they would merely accept the Old Testament and remain Jews, as Jesus was. They feel the New Testament was an improvement on the Old Testament. But “perfected Jews”, only in an exaggerated way. No Christians I know ever claimed to be perfect in any sense of the word. Their doctrine is that all people are sinners to a greater or lesser degree.
If Coulter got a rise out of you, it is not personal, just business.
October 11th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Deutsch and Coulter are not speaking the same language here. Deutsch is aware of it and is using the fact to foment conflict where there really is none, relying on the now-standard “I’m SOOOOO offended” response and labeling Coulter’s statements as “hateful” when they are not.
EVERY institutionalized religion has its reasons for, essentially, NOT being some other religion. And of course every fervent practitioner of a religion is going to expound on the subjectively defined superiority of the faith s/he’s chosen, since objective reason can’t be used to support it. The relationship between Judaism and Christianity is a matter of history. The notion that it’s somehow “hateful” to declare the difference between the two - from the perspective of Coulter’s subjective assessment of her Christian faith - borders (ostensibly) on the moronic.
But of course class-baiting, race-baiting and, lately, faith-baiting are the best ways to generate controversy and draw attention to onesself these days. Coulter does this with her books. Deutsch has done it here. The only difference between the two is one’s perspective.
October 11th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Of course Christians would like to see the world be converted. Joseph is right on track here. Evangelism is commanded in the New Testament. (It’s also interesting to note that Jesus specifically commands an approach without physical coercion.) Universalist religions like Islam and Christianity send out missionaries. What matters is whether or not they are carrying guns along with their holy books.
Ann Coulter is all about shock value. She is like Michael Moore, only without taking herself seriously. I don’t like her, but I understand that she thrives off of being politically incorrect.
James - politics does same thing, along with personal relationships. People will always find something to be passionate about.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
hello -
I don’t have much time for Anne Coulter.
I think, though, in a world full of Mersheimers and whomevers, where an emininent British scientist can contend that atheists should have as much influence, as a minority, as Jews “obviously” do in the world (and no one remarks overly much about it), where so-called leftists march alongside people holding signs “death to Jews”, where Israel is singled out again again again as the world’s only abuser of Arabs, Anne Coulter is not something to worry about.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
“I find them offensive because they are offensive to any non-Christian”
Well, they do reflect the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, when He said “You MUST be born again”, and again when He said “I am the way, the truth, and the life, and NO ONE comes to the Father BUT BY ME”
Those words are pretty self explainatory, but they’re not Anne Coulter’s words, they’re the Lord Jesus Christ’s words.
And that’s why He told us to “go unto all nations” to pass His words on… because they’re the only means by which anyone may enter into Heaven.
I will say this however, to disagree with Anne… with my knowledge of Christ’s church throughout the world, it’s sure not going to look anything like the GOP Convention in NYC… PRAISE THE LORD!!!
October 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
I’m a Methodist, and have hung around with a lot of Baptists, and I’ve never heard this “perfected” stuff before. And the idea of being offended by anything Ann Coulter says? Puleaze! Read the interview more closely. She’s clearly put off with the guy’s approach and is messing with him. Which is what she does.
There are a lot of people who profess to follow Jesus, but get all tangled up with process, and nit-picking, and the trivial, and who has the correct secret handshake. We all tend to look inward, churches as well as individuals. Jesus taught that we should look outward, trying to live up to the Law stating we should “love your neighbor as yourself”.
James Hagee recently addressed a large gathering of Evangelicals where he stated clearly that he believed the Jews have their own relationship with G_d, that they are truly His Chosen People. That group, and I, believe this also. We don’t want to convert the Jews, or see them “Perfected”, or whatever. At any rate, Christianity is too varied for anyone to say “Christians believe this” or “Christians believe that”.
Anyone can stick a fish on the back of their SUV and call themselves a Christian. I prefer to let God label me (hopefully) in the next life. Jesus had a dialogue with a lawyer about the Law. Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan in response to the lawyer’s question of “who is my neighbor”. Afterwards the lawyer answered his own question: “The one who showed mercy”. This is the core of Christianity, and a lot of the other contentious stuff is just bling. Far too many folks argue about things that can’t be known, in this life anyway. That is energy better spent, whether one is a Jew, Christian, Moslem, athiest, whatever, in acting on Jesus’ injunction to “go and do likewise”.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
I am no fan of Coulter - he pressed her - and baited her to tell him how she wanted the world to look - if she ruled the world…
What would an orthodox Jew have said? - Muslims would be rounded up and deported - but from how many more countries? - not unlike what Hitler did to Jews.
Ms. Coulter was more, well, Christian, in that she would have perfected other religions - not exterminated them.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
in the world where so-called leftists march alongside people holding signs “death to Jews”
This world sounds like a figment of your imagination. In fact, I can ignore the supposed leftists and say that even the “death to Jews” sign BY ITSELF is a fabrication on your part. No “death to Jews” sign has ever been carried in any march in America.
This isn’t your fault, it’s just a symptom of the deep indoctrination that Jews are subjected to within their community.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Why should you be offended when a Christian declares that her path is true and yours isn’t? This smacks of profound insecurity. Is your faith so weak that you need Coulter’s spiritual approval?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Gee, you finally got some comments. At least you are not sputtering and blithering like Roger Simon. Yes Pollyanna, orthodox (actual) Christians truly believe that God gave His Word to you, you ignored Him and we took it over. Sorry. You got all the prophets. You got the Messiah in the flesh. All we have is a book and yet we believe. Have you been made jealous enough yet? Will you give Him an honest look? Or will you continue to bury your heads in nothing but what you have been brainwashed to believe …. like the Muslims?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Charles Hope,
Rest assured, I am not in the least bit insecure about my faith.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
I think that if we get ‘offended’ by the comments then we are choosing not to respond. I don’t see anything in her position that precludes an actual argument. I’ve had theological discussions with Christians, it’s not a bad thing. And it’s not difficult to argue with her, since she knows more about arguing than she does about theology.
And yes, I agree, she was messing with him because he was choosing to go the ‘offended route’ rather than the ‘responsive route’. I personally get very offended when people get offended.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
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October 11th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
>> I personally get very offended when people get offended.
I love this idea. Nobody should be afraid of an argument/debate (unless the other guy is the sort to resort to violence). Its lame when folks shut down debate due to faux outrage.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
As a Catholic I wholeheartedly agree with what Ann is saying. She’s stating tenets of the Christian faith. Whether you agree with her or not is irrelevant. We’re not in the middle-ages so I wouldn’t worry about somebody sticking a red hot poker where the sun don’t shine if you don’t convert. She’s stating her beliefs - is that a crime? If Donnie Deutsch doesn’t want to hear the answer maybe he shouldn’t have asked the question.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
*I can ignore the supposed leftists and say that even the “death to Jews” sign BY ITSELF is a fabrication on your part. No “death to Jews” sign has ever been carried in any march in America.*
my source is at this link:
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/235
(but is that `Jewish indoctrination’, too…?)
another one:
http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/15968.shtml
and:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689952/posts
of course, nothing about Richard Dawkins are the disgrace of the `apartheid’ characterization of Israeli, etc. etc.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
*I can ignore the supposed leftists and say that even the “death to Jews” sign BY ITSELF is a fabrication on your part. No “death to Jews” sign has ever been carried in any march in America.*
my source is at this link:
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/235
(but is that `Jewish indoctrination’, too…?)
another one:
http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/15968.shtml
and:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689952/posts
of course, nothing about Richard Dawkins and the disgrace of the `apartheid’ characterization of Israeli, etc. etc.
ps: wrt to Dawkins, what is especially fascinating that his statement about the Jews is not even a *proposition*, that is, a debatable point - it is the *premise* for his other point. the `undue Jewish influence* is a taken as a given - and the commentators also accept the premis without argument.
thanks
Roundhead
October 11th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
How quickly some forget.
Another:
San Francisco, August 12, 2007.
I’m sorry. I can’t find a ready made list of these. Search for them yourself.
And if you think marching alongside Hizballah flags doesn’t imply the same, you’re naive.
You don’t know, Jack!
October 11th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
She’s wrong - Jews are perfect already.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
So yet another spoiled hypersensitive Jew
offended by traditional Christian theology as related by Coulter who is after all a pro-Zionist lackey. Actually the Jewish moderator implicitly described centuries of quite intelligent European Christians of all stripes, including scientists and inventors, for example,
as ignorant if they believed orthodox Christian doctrine and as related to Jews,which myriad did. I find this as offensive as the Talmud’s many attacks on Christ.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
>I might consider myself a Conservative
Well, you may have to re-think that - as you are currently trying to enforce political correctness over honest dialogue.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
I suppose the reason I roll my eyes instead of taking it personally is because of the politicians I have to live through. Live through an election with someone like Katherine Harris, who was in office, and see. The one openly says, “god chooses our leaders”, and “non-christians legislate sin”. Along with other fun quotables.
Coulter is just a media hog. I could care less what she says. We here have bigger problems than the views of a very divisive person who peddles her books on TV.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Heh. She has a right to express her beliefs, as long as they don’t include violence against anyone (she has a right to express those too, of course - and the right to suffer the consequences).
I find her opinion silly, but that’s my problem.
The really good bits are right here in the comments:
“This isn’t your fault, it’s just a symptom of the deep indoctrination that Jews are subjected to within their community” - Tom
“What would an orthodox Jew have said? - Muslims would be rounded up and deported - but from how many more countries? - not unlike what Hitler did to Jews” - Jack Thomsen
“by Coulter who is after all a pro-Zionist lackey” - Ken Hoop
I am quite sure these commenters do not see themselves as anti-semitic psychotics, too. Which makes it all the more amusing
October 11th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Please, this is all a wind-up. It’s Donny Deutsch on MSNBC late night and the motorcycle guys cancelled. It is bad political theater and I can not believe you people fell for it. The excerpt starts with ‘Heaven is going to look like NYC during the Republic national convention’ and ends with a Falwell (we’re too gay sic deserved 9-11) quote….
October 11th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Raccoon,
I agree with you that some of the comments are much more offensive than Coulter’s statements.
Lucky I am able to turn the other cheek..err..so to speak.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Judaism is a religion for one chosen people who must obey the Law perfectly to reach Paradise. Jews do not proselytize. Gentiles have a hard time converting. Christianity, on the other hand, is a universal religion, following the theology of the Son of God and a Jewess, that offers salvation and Paradise to everyone who believes and acts in good faith. The religion is built on Jewish foundations but it offers salvation to Jews and gentiles alike. You should not feel insulted that Christians see Jews the same way they see gentiles. Practically speaking, it’s not like Christians are going to impose dhimmi status on you. Christians want you to enjoy the benefits of Christianity, not least because salvation is achievable by imperfect humans in Christianity, but almost never achievable if the Mosaic Law must be obeyed perfectly for an entire lifetime.
Ann Coulter was asked a question about her personal beliefs. She was hounded into going beyond the inoffensive answer she gave first. So she responded truthfully with Christian beliefs and Deutsch became outraged that he didn’t like the answer he hounded her to get. As if he didn’t expect to hear what he heard. He’s dishonest. Now you’re bothered because he hounded her into honestly explaining her Christian beliefs. Good grief! Life is too short to get mad at BS like this.
Perhaps you are saying that Christians should stop believing the Word of God because it bothers you. Or perhaps they should just never tell you truthfully what they believe, even if you hound them to get a truthful answer. Neither of these are going to happen, and you might as well get used to it.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
LGF concurs: much ado about nothing.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
I would note, I am an Orthodox Jew - and I don’t want to round up and deport all the Muslims (if Jews were Hitler like, like be seeking to methodically kill them all, I think the 6 million would have been delighted with being deported.)
People like to blame religious differences for war - but people forget that atheism is also a religious belief in that it takes a position that is essentially unprovable. The belief is that science can answer all questions and explain all things. Atheism, and its lack of moral mooring has killed more people than even the bloodthirsty versions of Ann or the Osamas of this world - see Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc…
The modern crop of Islamofacist nutheads might want to join the club, but they aren’t there yet.
That all being said, Christians can look down on us and say we need to be ‘perfected’ (I’ve certainly heard it) all they want. It is like Mormons converting us after death. It is something I lend no credence to and don’t care about.
At least they consider us people and not just the children of Pigs and Monkeys
October 11th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Anne coulter has gone too far! I have in the past found that i agree with her about some political issues. However, her outright claim that jews need to be perfected not only crossed the line, but she took a dump right on it! I am done with coulter and can’t wait till she spouts that hate filled crap in front of the wrong person. If I were a betting man, i would put the odds on her being killed by an assasin at 2-1 in favor of her being killed.. How long will people of all walks of life put up with it? For all those who do not think her comments should have been targeted I say this “get out of my country! You have no place in a free society”. I am sick of her antics and hope in the future that hse will be barred from TV in all forms, I hope she wont be able to get a show on PBS! Someone needs to stop this hateful B*tch before it is too late and she insites riots or worse.. Stop the hate end her life!
October 11th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Just a quick note. I’ve seen comments like this a bunch of times in this thread: Jewish salvation is almost never achievable if the Mosaic Law must be obeyed perfectly for an entire lifetime. Coulter said the same sort of thing with the “Fast Track” program.
All I can say is, actually study some Jewish theology before you apply this sort of blanket statement.
There are lots of disagreements, but basically, we don’t all live in a state of sin and if we never sinned, the reward wouldn’t be salvation, but eternal life IN THIS WORLD.
In addition, we care a bit less about salvation and a bit more about achieving positive impacts in this world. We don’t seek to be blank robotic people who suffer under the incredible pressure of a massive legal code. Sure, we have an impressive legal code, but we find fundamental benefits from that legal code - in this world.
And even imperfect, we can achieve what you would call ‘grace’.
That all being said, you can believe what you want. As a Jew, I’m just happy to see people believing in G-d.
But in the blanket characterization, don’t forget that our hundreds of thousands of pages of discussions and texts and thoughts - and our thousands of years of development - just might have produced something other than the one sentence black and white summary so many see.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Andrew,
I hope that was satire.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Wolf,
You said:
What you fail to mention is that we believe non-Jews can reach what you call Paradise. In fact, it is easier for non-Jews to reach it (only have to follow the Noahide laws). So your statement is misleading.
Shy Guy,
LGF is not the bible.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Coulter The Evangelist…
Read this at Israellycool and it begs for comment although I am in no way as caustic as Ann Coulter.
DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We’re going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your - forget that an…
October 12th, 2007 at 12:34 am
Come on, Dave.
She describes her ideal as the Democrat Party being Joseph Liebermann, a practicing, Orthodox Jew.
Don’t let MSNBC, or Media Matters (wholly-owned subsidiary of Hillary Clinton and George Soros) get you boiling. Ann Coulter is a fire-brand and I admire her for her candor and humor.
If that ridiculous exchange bothered you, try a different tack; ask her to do a phone interview with you and pod-cast it.
Jeez, you thought I was being too sensitive when I made a mild comment about you labeling a dark-skinned guy in a cap as “Tiger Woods.” Rule-of-thumb: if it comes from MSNBC or Media Matters, take it with a great big grain of salt.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:41 am
CJRun,
I know all about Media Matters and MSNBC; I am not naive. But that doesn’t pardon Coulter’s comments. They were insensitive and I found it offensive that she uttered them on National television.
I have not once accused Coulter of being anti-Semitic, so your reference to the Lieberman comment is not entirely relevant.
What bothers me is the readiness of some of my fellow Conservatives to find all manner of excuses for her. She does more damage to the cause than good.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:48 am
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October 12th, 2007 at 1:30 am
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October 12th, 2007 at 2:08 am
I certainly am not defending Coulter. It be better if she shut up from now on. I just don’t have any problems with Christians saying Christianity is better on national TV. It is like Athiests saying they are better. Or the Flexerciser 3000 saying it is better. We can’t get all condeming of the Mohammad cartoon reaction if we can’t deal with an expression of a belief that is at odds with our own.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:13 am
Coulter specifically denigrated Judaism. Had she just espoused the virtues of Christianity, I would not have been offended in the slightest.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:40 am
And ‘piss Christ’ did the same to Christianity and the Mohammad with his bomb turban did the same to Islam. I guess there are a variety of degrees of offended. I found ‘piss Christ’ offensive and the cartoons as simply cutting, but Coulter’s comment isn’t in either of these leagues.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:45 am
The Raccoon
Oh, yeah, raccer, Coulter’s position on
supporting Israel is synonomous with
Pat Buchanan’s. Get a life.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:45 am
I fully agree with you, Joseph. ‘Piss Christ’ was utterly despicable.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:49 am
Joseph
October 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Maybe not, but well over half of all Israelis want to round up all Palestinians
and deport them according to a recent poll.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:51 am
Ken,
What’s the URL for that poll? I find it surprising to say the least. Certainly there is a percentage of wackos out there. Unfortunately the PA seems to make the argument for them again and again - but I still disagree with that position and I would be shocked if I were in the minority.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:33 am
This is absurd. She did not denigrate any religions - she advocated her own. Are Jews out there saying that Christianity is The Way? Of course not. Is it a surprise that Christians don’t say that about other religions? Of course not.
Being disagreed with is not the same as being denigrated. Part of free expression is the freedom to disagree. Feel free to disagree right back. Advocate your own religion all you want. It is a free country.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:39 am
She did denigrate Judaism - by suggesting it needs perfecting. That said, it isn’t the end of the world. I think the reason people are so touchy is that the ‘perfecting the Jews’ statement has traditionally been used to kill so many of us (or coerce us into conversion).
October 12th, 2007 at 6:53 am
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October 12th, 2007 at 8:27 am
I think many of you are getting more riled up than I did. Sure, I found her comments to be offensive (she denigrated Judaism in in a public forum, and showed complete disregard for adherents of other religions), but as I have already stated, I do not find her to be the big threat in the world.
I think many of you are perhaps so used to having Christianity attacked (which I believe does happen a lot), that you jumped on my post as yet another attack on your belief system. Sorry, but that wasn’t the case at all.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:01 am
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October 12th, 2007 at 9:35 am
Blasphemer!!!! You are hereby damned to eternity in the Democratic Underground, where you will be KOS’d Daily.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Scott, in response to your comment:
I know what you believe, Scott, and quite frankly I am not jealous. Just hoping you’ll stick to the 7 Noahide laws and be a good person.
Might want to work on respecting other people’s beliefs though. Especially if you want others to respect yours.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Aussie Dave,
“she denigrated Judaism in in a public forum, and showed complete disregard for adherents of other religions” No she didn’t - all she did was state that her religious belief is an updated, improved version of someone else’s. She would seem to feel that it was improved to a point where it couldn’t be improved any further, thus being “perfected”.
If you really believe the quote, then by making a point of all of this, it has denigrated Christianity in in a public forum, and showed complete disregard for adherents of other religions.
I thought you were a smart guy, but you seem to be failing to recognise the hypocrisy in your stance on this.
By believing in one religion, it automatically means that you have rejected the other ones, thus the act of belief alone means that you show a “disregard for adherents of other religions”. You are almost right on one bit - my understanding of mainstream (moderate?) Christian beleif is that there isn’t a “complete” disregard, but there is a substantial disregard of the Jewish faith.
OmegaPaladin - If you want to get “passionate”, do it for something real, not for fairy-tales.
Anyway, who is going to call for a Jewish fatwa on Ms Coulter? (Or had Andrew already done that?) Come on everybody, let’s riot!
October 12th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
James, I fail to see how posting about my opinion on Coulter’s comments denigrates Christianity. I have in fact gone out of my way not to criticize Christianity as a religion.
Coulter basically said Judaism was irrelevant on national tv, knowing Jews would be watching. It is my right to find her disregard offensive. How can anything I have said be equated with this?
The irony is that those who think I am being too sensitive are the ones who are taking this out of proportion.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Dave,
I fail to see how she denigrates Judaism, other than by not believing in it. You’re not a Christian; following the same argument you seem equally guilty of denigration…
Coulter made a very simple, but essential fundamental statement of the Christian faith. The way I see your comments on this are that you found that this statement of Christian beliefs to be offensive to your Jewishness. Come on, don’t be a sook.
Shabbat Shalom (I know it is a bit early but I’m probably not going to get a chance to post again).
October 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
James,
I don’t expect you to see how she denigrates Judaism and Jews since you are coming from her perspective. The point is she basically made her comments on television, knowing her audience would include Jews.
Now I know full well what Christians believe in and it does not threaten me. I think your’e wrong about some things, you think we’re wrong, but we believe in similar things and that’s fine. But when someone gets up on tv and undermines what Jews believe in, then why the hell shouldn’t I take offence?
Am I going to lose sleep over this? Not bloody likely. Am I calling for Jihad or even a protest against Coulter? No. I just posted on my blog that I found her comments on tv offensive.
And for the record, James, I am constantly defending Christianity and lambasting those who compare it to fundamentalist Islam. I am not anti-Christian. I just don’t have much time for those who disrespect others.
October 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Raccoon said that my comments were psychotic?
No - I am just tired of thin skinned Jews trying to get me into WWIII for THEIR racism.
Maybe Islam will find a solution for the rest of us.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
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October 13th, 2007 at 12:08 am
That’s the spirit, Mr. Thomsen. Allahu Akbar! Yitbakh el Yahood! Bil Rokh, Bil Dam, nafdik ya Balezdin! Allahu Akbar! Al mawtou li Amrika! Al mawtou li Yahood!
Atta boy
October 13th, 2007 at 5:59 am
The argument isn’t with Ann Coulter.
I find it really funny that Deutch is upset about what a Jew said.
Paul, the “super Jew” made the statement to his fellow Hebrews.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
(Jews that accepted Jesus who was offered for their sins)
And BIG NEWS.
This just in: Jesus was a Jew.
So the hypersensitive media Jews can go F themselves as far as I’m concerned.
And they can quit taking out their frustrations on people that have chosen to believe Jesus the Jew was who he said he was.
Jews started all this “christian” stuff anyway.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:02 am
This IS NOT STANDARD Christian Doctrine, unless maybe you are speaking about the Catholic church. To imply that Jewish people need to be perfected is saying that they are imperfect, but my friends, they are G-d’s chosen people, a Holy People albet far from perfect. A Messianic Jew is not perfect either, for the Bible teaches we are not perfect until the day we receive Glorified bodies. I don’t know of any Christian doctrine or theology that teaches Jews — or anyone for that matter — become “perfected” upon Saving grace through Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach. I hate to see all these unsaved “Churchgoers” commenting that it is standard Christian doctrine when in fact they have no idea what they are speaking of. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist and I realize these words spoken by Coulter are vile and at the least misspoken. It would be different if she said “Jews need to be Saved.” That of course is what I and others true Christians believe about anybody, not just the Jews. Oh, and throw away Judaism? Even is you look past the “perfected” statement you are willing to defend this? Will the real Christians please stand up?
October 13th, 2007 at 6:32 am
Paul, the “super Jew” made the statement to his fellow Hebrews.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
(Jews that accepted Jesus who was offered for their sins)”
——————–
And who are those that are sanctified? Those who have accepted Christ and are dead or those Old Testament Saints who obeyed G-d’s law. Those that “are sanctified” who are alive, are in the process of being sanctified, and in some translations it reads “…them that are BEING sanctified”. The perfection comes after death like I said above when we are sanctified with glorified bodies. Jesus nor any of his disciples taught that we as Christians are perfect, in fact the opposite is taught as in Matthew 5:48 it says “BE ye Perfect as in the general goal of the Christian life to be perfect like our Father in Heaven which of course is not achievable in our earthly ministry.
Matthew 5:48
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
He is clearly referring to the complete glorified completeness that is in Christ which we will also achieve one day but not yet!
October 13th, 2007 at 7:14 am
After more thinking I would like to take a step back and admit some error…
Yes a 3rd post on this subject, I would like to say yes our Salvation, our Spirit are made perfect but ourselves — our flesh — is not perfect, but, in the completeness of Christ we are ultimately made perfect but right now our body,soul is not. There is three distinct parts of man: spirt, soul, and body. I don’t know what Ann was thinking, spirit soul and body? In my case I was thinking of flesh and Sin and that is how I interpreted Ann. So to conclude yes our spirit is complete and Ann could be correct but to single out the Jewish people just because she was trying to attack Deutsch is just plain wrong.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:46 am
fucking Jews - I’m so tired of hearing their shit.
Coulter was goaded into her “vision” for America.
She advocated for her own religion.
Some of you assholes need to read the fucking Talmud - now THERE is a wake up call.
It’s okay to kill, cheat and steal from Gentiles.
Don’t get me started…. Jews have no credibility with me on this subject.
Germany should have finished the job right.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:50 am
yo Karen.
I hear you.
Islam will finish the job.
Jews self destruct in every generation. They are running out of friends in this one.
Coulter and the knuckle dragging right are the last friends they have. So let em start in on them.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:02 am
Actually, the Great Zionist War Machine will crush you all! Bwuahaha! Am Yisrael Chai! Am Yisrael Chai! BTW, how many times did your Islamic friends war on Israel trying to “finish the job” and won? Oh… right…
October 13th, 2007 at 8:07 am
BTW, your claims about the Talmud are untrue, find the truth here:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html
Here is a part of it:
“RESPONSE (3)
It is certainly not “OK to cheat non-Jews”. In the Tosefta Baba Kama (10:8) we are taught: “It is more grievous to steal from a non-Jew than from a Jew because of the desecration of G-d’s name”.
In Sanhedrin 57a the Talmud discusses the Noahide laws which are binding on all non-Jews. It specifically examines the source of the prohibition against holding back wages. Such practice is forbidden to everyone - both Jew and non-Jew - but the biblical source of this prohibition is different for Jews and non-Jews.
Jews are prohibited from holding back wages by specific verses in the bible (Lev. 19:13; Deut. 24:14) which impose this prohibition only on Jews. These verses specifically prohibit Jews from holding back wages from anyone, whether Jew or non-Jew (Rambam, positive commandment #200).
For non-Jews the biblical source for this prohibition is the verse generally prohibiting non-Jews from stealing. “
October 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
It’s so nice to see progress in the comments…
We started with some general antisemitism, moved to the area of Arab-flavored conspiracy theories, got to “yitbakh el Yahood”… and now Frau Ladik and Herr Stefan wrap it up nicely with “Heil Hitler”.
Ah, it does one good to see progress…
And now an answer to the assorted Nazis of various degrees: we’ll outlive you all as usual, you ignorant, psychotic barbarians. Am Yisrael Khai!
On a personal note: dear Nazis. I do hope to uphold my family’s tradition by killing as many of you ugly monsters as possible. May you be flayed alive and gang-raped by dogs.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
“Karen Ladik” and “Phil Stephan” have the same IP address 69.254.139.5. In other words, this sad individual is so insecure, they had to leave a comment AND their own supporting comment 4 minutes apart.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
LOL, that is sad and I was wondering about that. To that sad neo-nazi scum:
When you are sent into the pit of hell, all of creation, and all of heaven will cheer and applaud that G-d has rid the earth of you.
…and I mean every word of that and every word of that is true.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
“Atheism is also a religious belief in that it takes a position that is essentially unprovable. The belief is that science can answer all questions and explain all things. Atheism, and its lack of moral mooring has killed more people than even the bloodthirsty versions of Ann or the Osamas of this world - see Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc?”
You are confusing atheism, which is not a religion, with Marxism, which probably is. Marxism has beliefs and sacred writings, but like Buddhism does not include belief in a personal God. Atheists are people who do not believe in either supernatural beings or sacred writings.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
“Atheism is also a religious belief in that it takes a position that is essentially unprovable. The belief is that science can answer all questions”
You are confusing atheists with naive scientists. An atheist is not necessarily a scientist, and may know little of science and care less. Some atheists are poets or painters.
However, I think most people would agree that science has answered some questions, such as the layout of the solar system or the distances to the stars, which were at one time wrongly answered in various sacred writings.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
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October 14th, 2007 at 7:26 am
Judaism has lived and thrived, passed from one generation to the next, for 5768 years, without forced, coerced or encouraged conversions, without door to door prostelyzing, and without handing out pamphlets on street corners.
We lasted this long despite 400 years of slavery in Egypt, 40 years of wandering in the desert, and desoute the mighty Roman army who nailed us to ten thousand crosses. We did it despite the best efforts of fervent Crusaders, the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler’s third Reich, Stalin’s gulags, Arab wars of annihilation and 100 years of hateful terrorism, and hundreds of hate-filled UN resolutions.
Imagine, we survived without beheading anyone on TV, without a single suicide bomber, without kidnapping and murdering school children, without slaughtering Olympic athletes, and without flying airplanes into skyscrapers.
How did we Jews do it? We survived by concentrating our efforts on education, love of family, faith, hard work, helping one another and a passionate dedication to life no matter what evil befell us.
We hung in there in hope the rest of the world would one day overcome its hatreds, jealousies and violence to one day join us in a life of cooperation and mutual respect.
As was made obvious by Ann Coulter’s comments, and some of the comments here on this thread, that day has not yet come, but don’t worry, no matter what you throw at us, we’ll hang in there until it does.
Am Yisrael Chai.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
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February 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I am 17 and i have a friend who is into her stupid ideas. Now being 17 i might not know as much as all of you or anyone else but i do wish to share something even though im a couple months late.
By race i am half jewish and half christian. But religiously i am christian. What Ann said above about “jews need to be perfected” is completely obsurd and offensive. God made everyone to be equal and no one should be perfected b/c he made us. He made us in his opion of what we should be. Also, if god wanted jews to be perfected then why are we not? why are we not following by the new and old testement and not just the old? Another thins is that christians are NOT perfected jews, there is no way. We all sin, jews and christians, and if christians are perfected then why do they hand out flyers to come to their church? Like the ohter churches are wrong to go to? and why do other christians ignore those people. Finnally, if christians were perfect then there would not be protestants.
Also i would like to add. Why is she even talking about how republicans are complete christians. Not in this piece but in her other works and interviews. Should’nt all political not be based on what religion you are and what a book tell you is right and wrong?
February 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Larry,
You are correct (and quite smart), especially about the comment Ann made. She is known for making outrageous comments and I think her point was not a theological or doctrinal point, but rather, to startle the Jewish host of the show — a despicable act regardless of the politics of the host. It is also quite despicable of her to single out the Jewish people when we all need to be “perfected” in our Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus).
As Christians we are perfect in Yeshua but only in Yeshua in terms of the efficacy of cleansing our sins as we look to Him for Salvation. On Earth we are not perfected and do not have our glorified bodies as we will in Heaven. So while yes, we are perfected in Yeshua as our sins are wiped away (forgiven and forgotten), we still have a mortal body and a sin nature. We are in no way perfect as we will be in Heaven. We have a terrible sin nature, even in our Salvation through Yeshua.
The Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9:
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
We are all carnal, sinful, and have physical bodies and will die a physical death, but our hope in Yeshua is perfect and one day we will be perfected.
You write
“Another thins is that christians are NOT perfected jews”
This is 100% correct and I urge you to read:
http://www.layhands.com/AreGentilesSpiritualJews.htm
There are some Christians who teach we are all spiritual Jews, this is a false doctrine which leads to antisemitism among other things. Instead we as Gentiles are wild olive branches grafted into a Jewish tree but we ourselves do not become Jewish or “Spiritual Jews”, just part of the tree. Nor do we replace the Jewish people as some claim in what is widely known as “Replacement Theology” also called “New Covenant” which in itself is also antisemitic and very popular (unfortunately). I would suggest you study Dispensationalism and reject the antisemitic Replacement Theology. If you need some resources or book suggestions, feel free to e-mail me at:
williamwrightjr AT verizon DOT net
In Yeshua,
Daniel
March 17th, 2008 at 8:26 am
See a nazi bitch, pick her up and all day you’ll have bad luck.
Why does anybody waste his time with the likes of her?
She’s a troll looking to sell her books.