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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/10/13/coulter-skelter-part-deux/#comment-11269</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aussie Dave,
     Are you going to call me an anti-Semite now? All I implied was that sometimes people can feel unappreciated.

You cannot deny anything I said was true.

I am not asking for official homage from Jewish organizations (nonsense); I am just hoping for a little less suspicion and (often) slander and a little more trust (or benefit of the doubt).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aussie Dave,<br />
     Are you going to call me an anti-Semite now? All I implied was that sometimes people can feel unappreciated.</p>
<p>You cannot deny anything I said was true.</p>
<p>I am not asking for official homage from Jewish organizations (nonsense); I am just hoping for a little less suspicion and (often) slander and a little more trust (or benefit of the doubt).</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/10/13/coulter-skelter-part-deux/#comment-11267</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't hold back, John. Let it all out.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/10/13/coulter-skelter-part-deux/#comment-11266</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.P.S.

That should be "Cross or Creche".

And for goodness' sake, we have eruvin here in America--in public towns.
Why are Christians all over not suing like you so proudly did?</description>
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<p>That should be &#8220;Cross or Creche&#8221;.</p>
<p>And for goodness&#8217; sake, we have eruvin here in America&#8211;in public towns.<br />
Why are Christians all over not suing like you so proudly did?</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/10/13/coulter-skelter-part-deux/#comment-11265</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the winner for most condescending rant on this blog goes to...

John, I honestly don't know where to start with your comment. All I can say is you revealed a heck of a lot more about yourself than about Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the winner for most condescending rant on this blog goes to&#8230;</p>
<p>John, I honestly don&#8217;t know where to start with your comment. All I can say is you revealed a heck of a lot more about yourself than about Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

Just to clear something up:

The Dennis Prager take is standalone. I only provided the link. The text after the link is a continuation of my own thoughts.

Also, for an analogy, how would you feel if we went to Israel and started suing for the towns to begin removing eruvin for example? Stars of David? Chabad menorahs in Tel Aviv?
Then why is it so important to attack the Boy Scouts here? Or take down every Cross of Creche in sight?
Or to rename Christmas Trees "Holiday" trees? Or modify the Pledge of Allegiance.

America is not nearly as Christian as Israel is Jewish; but we feel no need to complain about a "Jewish plot" to destroy Christianity in the Holy Land.</description>
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<p>Just to clear something up:</p>
<p>The Dennis Prager take is standalone. I only provided the link. The text after the link is a continuation of my own thoughts.</p>
<p>Also, for an analogy, how would you feel if we went to Israel and started suing for the towns to begin removing eruvin for example? Stars of David? Chabad menorahs in Tel Aviv?<br />
Then why is it so important to attack the Boy Scouts here? Or take down every Cross of Creche in sight?<br />
Or to rename Christmas Trees &#8220;Holiday&#8221; trees? Or modify the Pledge of Allegiance.</p>
<p>America is not nearly as Christian as Israel is Jewish; but we feel no need to complain about a &#8220;Jewish plot&#8221; to destroy Christianity in the Holy Land.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know what the fuss is all about.

Jewish people, in my experience, can be some of the most ethnocentric people in the world.

Not everybody has to think like you, and not every religion needs to be like Judaism.

Most religions in the history of the world have had some sort of belief that they have "the truth", and that others would do good to follow suit. That follows logically if you believe in the concept of absolute truth.

So while Jews may believe that there is something intrinsically special about them (and thus blessings and obligations that are good for them only), there is no such belief in Christianity (or most other world religions for that matter). If it's good enough for me, it's good enough for you. Christianity after all is not heritable (...as many Jews seem to forget readily--that characteristic is probably only held by the Jewish religion).

Thus Jews should not go around wondering why everybody else doesn't have a "mine is for me and yours is for you" belief system. It's for all intents and purposes unique to Jews.

So, Christians are free to believe that their religion is the "completion" of the Torah and that everyone should believe what they do. What, pray tell, is "offensive" about that?
If anything it is slightly peculiar.

And there goes the ethnocentrism again. Here are several posters saying that "Ann Coulter knew there would be many Jews watching but she still...".
Hard as it may be to believe, most people in America do not go around obsessed with Jews (a funny belief) and what "they" may be doing, thinking or feeling. Occam's Razor holds that she stated what she stated because that is what she believes--a standard Christian doctrine that applies to people of all religions, but tailored to get a rise out of Deutsch.

Anyways, here is Dennis Prager's take (audio):

http://dennisprager.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=3

"Monday October 15"

---

And enough with the whining about the school prayer. There you go with the ethnocentrism again. Not everything is about you. Are you trying to say that they instituted the "Christian prayer" precisley because you were Jewish? It was all about you?

The very fact that the ACLU is tearing all over the country burning crosses, Christian dollar bills and threatening people who pray to Jesus in public (you know...) means that that was the status quo for some time. Maybe things had always been so. How is this then indicative of a "menacing goal" to change the country to harm Jews by "Christians"?
They were already praying is school. They were already praying before football games.
I would say it is the ACLU that has the campaign of change--not the people who they are targetting in the courts.

Lastly, I always wonder about the constant, never-stated allusions to some onerous burden of "anti-Semitism" (a term more vastly misused than "racism") that many Jews posting on the internet claim to feel every day.
As someone who is not white, this has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I hear from time to time.
If not even racism is a commonplace personal experience from day to day; how on earth can anti-semitism be (when most Jews are visibly indistinguishable from other whites)?

How?

How is it that I look visibly different from most people in America (who are white) and yet seem to feel experience less discrimination than some of the Jewish posters here--who are white, not visibly distinct, and THRIVING in America.

I can only guess it's a spin-off of the "victim as powerful".

If you are white in America, you are understood to be at the top of the food chain. So are "victims". So, if you can be both white AND a "victim"? My goodness! The powers you can have...

(That is the only explanation I can think of).

Maybe someone can enlighten me of the constant anti-Semitism that nobody else seems to know about. Any examples?

Until then, I can only then it's a slap of ingratitude to the very country in the world that has been by far (in the history of the world), the best (and safest) place for Jews to live--even better than Israel.
(I can never forget how many Jewish organizations whipped-up a frenzy of predictions of a coming Kristallnacht carried about by conservative Christians against Jews after the former would have viewed "The Passion of the Christ". That was low. That was a real low blow based on absolutely no (American) historical evidence at all.).

These are the very American Christians who not only provided money since the 1800s to establish the state of Israel, but continue to do so and actively defend it today (more than anyone else in the world--and this  is in addition to the $3 billion America gives to Israel every year out of their pockets); but they were slandered left and right. I couldn't believe it. It was like spitting in your best friend's face (for the sake of a narrative of victimhood).

NOWHERE else in the world have Jews done so well and been so successful and been so safe.
Where is all this hate and suspicion from?

Jews (some of them at least), need to drop the suspicion complex and show a little gratitude to their only true and earnest friends in this world (go to secular Europe and see how well de-Christianization works out for Jews).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know what the fuss is all about.</p>
<p>Jewish people, in my experience, can be some of the most ethnocentric people in the world.</p>
<p>Not everybody has to think like you, and not every religion needs to be like Judaism.</p>
<p>Most religions in the history of the world have had some sort of belief that they have &#8220;the truth&#8221;, and that others would do good to follow suit. That follows logically if you believe in the concept of absolute truth.</p>
<p>So while Jews may believe that there is something intrinsically special about them (and thus blessings and obligations that are good for them only), there is no such belief in Christianity (or most other world religions for that matter). If it&#8217;s good enough for me, it&#8217;s good enough for you. Christianity after all is not heritable (&#8230;as many Jews seem to forget readily&#8211;that characteristic is probably only held by the Jewish religion).</p>
<p>Thus Jews should not go around wondering why everybody else doesn&#8217;t have a &#8220;mine is for me and yours is for you&#8221; belief system. It&#8217;s for all intents and purposes unique to Jews.</p>
<p>So, Christians are free to believe that their religion is the &#8220;completion&#8221; of the Torah and that everyone should believe what they do. What, pray tell, is &#8220;offensive&#8221; about that?<br />
If anything it is slightly peculiar.</p>
<p>And there goes the ethnocentrism again. Here are several posters saying that &#8220;Ann Coulter knew there would be many Jews watching but she still&#8230;&#8221;.<br />
Hard as it may be to believe, most people in America do not go around obsessed with Jews (a funny belief) and what &#8220;they&#8221; may be doing, thinking or feeling. Occam&#8217;s Razor holds that she stated what she stated because that is what she believes&#8211;a standard Christian doctrine that applies to people of all religions, but tailored to get a rise out of Deutsch.</p>
<p>Anyways, here is Dennis Prager&#8217;s take (audio):</p>
<p><a href="http://dennisprager.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=3" rel="nofollow">http://dennisprager.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=3</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Monday October 15&#8243;</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>And enough with the whining about the school prayer. There you go with the ethnocentrism again. Not everything is about you. Are you trying to say that they instituted the &#8220;Christian prayer&#8221; precisley because you were Jewish? It was all about you?</p>
<p>The very fact that the ACLU is tearing all over the country burning crosses, Christian dollar bills and threatening people who pray to Jesus in public (you know&#8230;) means that that was the status quo for some time. Maybe things had always been so. How is this then indicative of a &#8220;menacing goal&#8221; to change the country to harm Jews by &#8220;Christians&#8221;?<br />
They were already praying is school. They were already praying before football games.<br />
I would say it is the ACLU that has the campaign of change&#8211;not the people who they are targetting in the courts.</p>
<p>Lastly, I always wonder about the constant, never-stated allusions to some onerous burden of &#8220;anti-Semitism&#8221; (a term more vastly misused than &#8220;racism&#8221;) that many Jews posting on the internet claim to feel every day.<br />
As someone who is not white, this has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I hear from time to time.<br />
If not even racism is a commonplace personal experience from day to day; how on earth can anti-semitism be (when most Jews are visibly indistinguishable from other whites)?</p>
<p>How?</p>
<p>How is it that I look visibly different from most people in America (who are white) and yet seem to feel experience less discrimination than some of the Jewish posters here&#8211;who are white, not visibly distinct, and THRIVING in America.</p>
<p>I can only guess it&#8217;s a spin-off of the &#8220;victim as powerful&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you are white in America, you are understood to be at the top of the food chain. So are &#8220;victims&#8221;. So, if you can be both white AND a &#8220;victim&#8221;? My goodness! The powers you can have&#8230;</p>
<p>(That is the only explanation I can think of).</p>
<p>Maybe someone can enlighten me of the constant anti-Semitism that nobody else seems to know about. Any examples?</p>
<p>Until then, I can only then it&#8217;s a slap of ingratitude to the very country in the world that has been by far (in the history of the world), the best (and safest) place for Jews to live&#8211;even better than Israel.<br />
(I can never forget how many Jewish organizations whipped-up a frenzy of predictions of a coming Kristallnacht carried about by conservative Christians against Jews after the former would have viewed &#8220;The Passion of the Christ&#8221;. That was low. That was a real low blow based on absolutely no (American) historical evidence at all.).</p>
<p>These are the very American Christians who not only provided money since the 1800s to establish the state of Israel, but continue to do so and actively defend it today (more than anyone else in the world&#8211;and this  is in addition to the $3 billion America gives to Israel every year out of their pockets); but they were slandered left and right. I couldn&#8217;t believe it. It was like spitting in your best friend&#8217;s face (for the sake of a narrative of victimhood).</p>
<p>NOWHERE else in the world have Jews done so well and been so successful and been so safe.<br />
Where is all this hate and suspicion from?</p>
<p>Jews (some of them at least), need to drop the suspicion complex and show a little gratitude to their only true and earnest friends in this world (go to secular Europe and see how well de-Christianization works out for Jews).</p>
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		<title>By: Shy Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Raccoon Says: 
October 16th, 2007 at 1:43 am 

&lt;i&gt;(or, perhaps, as Moshe Dayan said, because our enemies were Arabs ;) ).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To sing a little from Fiddler On The Roof: &lt;i&gt;"That was a miracle, too!"&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And perhaps our remarkable national survivability has got more to do with our tradition and the accumulation of wisdom relating specifically to national survival over 3000+ years.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To paraphrase Don Adams as Maxwell Smart: &lt;i&gt;"The old Kochee-Ve'Otzem-Yahdi trick!"&lt;/i&gt; :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Raccoon Says:<br />
October 16th, 2007 at 1:43 am </p>
<p><i>(or, perhaps, as Moshe Dayan said, because our enemies were Arabs <img src='http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</i></p></blockquote>
<p>To sing a little from Fiddler On The Roof: <i>&#8220;That was a miracle, too!&#8221;</i></p>
<blockquote><p><i>And perhaps our remarkable national survivability has got more to do with our tradition and the accumulation of wisdom relating specifically to national survival over 3000+ years.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>To paraphrase Don Adams as Maxwell Smart: <i>&#8220;The old Kochee-Ve&#8217;Otzem-Yahdi trick!&#8221;</i> <img src='http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: The Raccoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Raccoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. If there's anything that'll ever make me lakhzor betshuva (and that's one unlikely thing right there :) ) is the fact that we have, indeed, survived against impossible odds again and again and again, in situations which have routinely destroyed other nations.

Even our wars were usually won by miracles (or, perhaps, as Moshe Dayan said, because our enemies were Arabs ;) ).

And perhaps our remarkable national survivability has got more to do with our tradition and the accumulation of wisdom relating specifically to national survival over 3000+ years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. If there&#8217;s anything that&#8217;ll ever make me lakhzor betshuva (and that&#8217;s one unlikely thing right there <img src='http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) is the fact that we have, indeed, survived against impossible odds again and again and again, in situations which have routinely destroyed other nations.</p>
<p>Even our wars were usually won by miracles (or, perhaps, as Moshe Dayan said, because our enemies were Arabs <img src='http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>And perhaps our remarkable national survivability has got more to do with our tradition and the accumulation of wisdom relating specifically to national survival over 3000+ years.</p>
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		<title>By: Shy Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Just one more question about a technicality - why do you write “G-d”? It’s not an explicit Hebrew name - but a word for a concept in a foreign tongue (so shouldn’t be kadosh), so why avoid writing it in full?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
See article &lt;a href="http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Respect_for_Holy_Objects_Part_One.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Respect for Holy Objects&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, under the heading &lt;b&gt;"Other Languages"&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Just one more question about a technicality - why do you write “G-d”? It’s not an explicit Hebrew name - but a word for a concept in a foreign tongue (so shouldn’t be kadosh), so why avoid writing it in full?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>See article <a href="http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Respect_for_Holy_Objects_Part_One.asp" rel="nofollow"><b>Respect for Holy Objects</b></a>, under the heading <b>&#8220;Other Languages&#8221;</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: stvip</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply.  I cannot argue about your feelings.  About the logical-rational points for following current-day Jewish practices, I certainly do have counter-points to make.  
We can leave it at that if you prefer - I'll only post my objections if you explicitly tell me you want to hear them.

Just one more question about a technicality - why do you  write "G-d"?  It's not an explicit Hebrew name - but a word for a concept in a foreign tongue (so shouldn't be kadosh), so why avoid writing it in full?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply.  I cannot argue about your feelings.  About the logical-rational points for following current-day Jewish practices, I certainly do have counter-points to make.<br />
We can leave it at that if you prefer - I&#8217;ll only post my objections if you explicitly tell me you want to hear them.</p>
<p>Just one more question about a technicality - why do you  write &#8220;G-d&#8221;?  It&#8217;s not an explicit Hebrew name - but a word for a concept in a foreign tongue (so shouldn&#8217;t be kadosh), so why avoid writing it in full?</p>
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