What He Said
';I normally prefer to articulate my own views myself - except when someone else articulates them better than I could.
David Bogner: Is it Just Me?
How sad is it that after all these years we still haven’t settled the most basic issue of Israel’s right to self-determination… yet Palestinian self-determination is not only a given, but their right to define themselves any way they like is considered sacrosanct.
Just to review:
1. The Palestinians want demand their own state… but they want all of the ‘Palestinian refugees’ to have the right to retrn to Israel… not the Palestinian state. Isn’t the very raison d’etre of a Palestinian State (and the Paletinian self-determination movement) to provide people who self-identify as ethnically, politically or culturally ‘Palestinian’ with a place they can call their own???
2. The Palestinians claim the right to self rule and bridle at any whiff of outside interference in their internal affairs… yet they demand that Israel be treated like some bankrupt company languishing in receivership that must be administered by an outside fiduciary trustee (i.e. the UN or the EU).
3. The Palestinians are arguably the least transparent legal/political/financial entity on the planet, yet they dismiss as cumbersome and insulting any request from those who have been pouring unprecedented amounts of foreign aid into their
Swiss bank accountscoffers (more than even the Marshall Plan provided to All of Europe after WWII) for even the most basic accounting of where the money has gone.4. The Palestinians have no single centralized authority to govern political, military, economic, infrastructure, medical, intelligence or security issues. In fact there are as many as seven or eight entities claiming control of some of these ‘departments’… and nobody at all minding the store in others. But despite this novel ‘decentralized’ approach to government, they expect Israel to enter into binding negotiations with them even as they engage in open civil war amongst themselves… without a clue as to who might emerge the winner or how the victor might be disposed towards honoring exisitng agreements with Israel.
5. Normally a people yearning for nationhood have some basic idea of what kind of government they want, how the economy will be arranged, how basic infrastructure (electricity, sewage, water, roads, transportation, etc.) will be provided for, how the citizenry will receive medical care and education… and perhaps most important, how it will relate to its neighbors and the rest of the world. The Palestinians have done about as much thinking on these subjects as one can comfortably fit on a cocktail napkin. Yet they have several full-fledged chapters of their charter that, to this day, still call for the destruction of the Zionist entity . Clearly they have given some thought to that part of the plan.
6. Even as the Palestinians bring claims to the UN and other interested parties of ‘Israeli atrocities and genocide’ they continue to bombard Israel cities with rockets, stab Israeli citizens in the street, throw Molotov cocktails and rocks at civilian traffic and attempt to smuggle explosives to terrorist cells for use against Israeli civilian targets. Yet we still provide them with fuel, electricity, water and other ‘humanitarian’ services.
Somebody please explain to me again why we are talking to the Palestinians about anything right now (except possibly terms of surrender)?
So to answer your question David: no, it is not just you.
(David generally shys away from political posts, but he really shouldn’t).
Aussie Dave












November 15th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
I’m blown away by how well presented this argument is. As you said Dave, it’s everything I’ve been thinking but couldn’t articulate nearly as well.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=2&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=377&PID=1852&IID=1923&TTL=The_Palestinian_Authority_and_the_Jewish_Holy_Sites_in_the_West_Bank:_Rachel%27s_Tomb_as_a_Test_Case“>http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=2&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=377&PID=1852&IID=1923&TTL=The_Palestinian_Authority_and_the_Jewish_Holy_Sites_in_the_West_Bank:_Rachel%27s_Tomb_as_a_Test_Case”>
I just saw this a few minutes before I saw the post in this blog
It seems to compliment each other. And I don’t mean compliment in the good way. Sorry, not sure how to make it a proper link on this format.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Thanks Dave… unfortunately, with an idiot in the white house who is desperate to leave a legacy of being the president ho made peace in the middle ease… and an idiot in the big chair in the knesset who wants to do ANYTHING to take the heat off of his many criminal investigations… well, that is not a good climate in which to make a real and lasting peace.
November 16th, 2007 at 2:27 am
I have noticed much rhetoric of late on how the US of A should or should not work toward peace between Israel and the Moslems around her, especially the Palestinians. As an American, I cannot see how it is any of our business how Israel chooses to get along, or not get along with these 7th century savages. Anyone with any semblance of a brain can see that all that the US of A could do is ask that Israel give up even more than she has already given. Treppenwitz above, suggests that George W. Bush has some bearing on this. Get real! As a non-jew, American, I sympathize with the Israelis, and can see no good at all to come from any thing that could be offered by the US of A other than more arms for Israel. Face it folks, your neighbors see appeasement, any appeasement as weakness. Negotiation is opening the door to more problems from them. I do not have the answer, but surely it is not the act of giving up more of your precious self. Hang in there, continue to do decisive acts in retaliation for their aggression, and beat their dumbasses into submission if it takes that. This is all the jihadis understand: http://www.cafepress.com/frankopinions/1658972
nuf sed