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You said you will follow up this story.
There is no doubt that IDF shot this man.
Why did IDF shoot him, have you found out?

IDF shot and killed him.
Why?
Have you found out?

You do not read Haaretz?

Aussie Dave said:
… “this man’s supposed death at the hands of the murderous Zionist soldiers.”
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- “Murderous Zionist soldiers”.
Why are you using such language?

It is much easier to say: IDF.
Or are you perhaps in the propaganda business?

What’s going on here is the:
“fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me…can’t get fooled again”

Maybe he was shot, maybe he wasn’t, maybe he didn’t exist, or maybe he’s another one who will spring to life during his funeral.
After a set number of fake or inconsistent pallywood stories, some people stop believing them altogether. It’s not those peoples fault they’re tired and cynical.

Aussie Dave said:

“As for my “Murderous Zionist soldiers” phrasing, I sometimes use such hyperbole to mock those who really believe such lies. I kind of thought that was obvious, but I’m always willing to explain things to those a little slow on the uptake.”
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Are you implying that I am … “slow on the uptake”?
Is that very polite?
I think guests on you website deserve polite treatment, - Don’t you agree?

Querius,

This is my blog. You are the visitor, hence I have certain expectations about your politeness. In my mind, you have been anything but polite.

As for the link you just saw fit to provide (why you didn’t just provide it at the outset, and launch your discussion from there is beyond me), no I did not see this report. But it does reveal why the IDF may have shot at him.

The Israel Defense Forces spokesman informed us that after a preliminary investigation, it transpired that soldiers at an army observation post had spotted three Palestinians who were behaving suspiciously.

“The three, who were identified as being busy on the ground for quite a few minutes, were suspected by the force of planting a bomb,” the statement said. “A force … was rushed to the site and launched a pursuit of the suspects, during which they called on them to stop and also fired into the air. When the calls were ignored, the force opened fire at the suspects.”

According to the IDF, “the incident was investigated at all levels of command, and the lessons will be learned and applied. The findings of the investigation will be conveyed to the Mili-tary Advocate General’s Office.”

Or do you automatically take the palestinian version as the truth, and the IDF explanation as necessarily false?

In any event, I will update the above post to include the Ha’aretz report.

MAY have shot?
When IDF are saying: … “the force opened fire at the suspects.”

Every hear of “friendly fire” casualties? No matter, anyway.

You make me sad, Aussie Dave.

Give the man a hanky.

The facts are under your nose.

Oh. Pass the hanky to Dave.

And you still are in denial-mode?

The report says the IDF opened fire. The report’s author does not know if this death was absolutely a result of an IDF bullet hitting its target. That would normally require a confirmation from the forces or an autopsy in cases of uncertainty.

When a young man hase been shot, and is leaving behind a widow and small children.

Do you know if IDF has a financial responsibility assuming he was innocent?
Will it be difficult to find out if he was innocent?

I love to play “Pin the Tail on the Donkey”, too, but if you’ll take off your blinders you’ll realize you’re facing the wrong direction.

And pray tell, Querius, how that wound would be inconsistent with the IDF take on events? (“A force … was rushed to the site and launched a pursuit of the suspects, during which they called on them to stop and also fired into the air. When the calls were ignored, the force opened fire at the suspects.”)

Given that we don’t know the findings of the latest investigation, why should I condemn the IDF, especially given the plethora of similar incidences in which palestinian terrorists WERE launching an operation? It sounds perfectly feasible to me. (And if it is found that the soldiers shot wantonly at the men because they felt like it, and had no reason to believe these were terrorists, the soldiers should be punished accordingly).

Aussie Dave said:

“Update: This recent Ha’aretz article regarding the incident has been brought to my attention. It suggests that Qasqas was killed by the IDF, but does include the IDF’s version of events.”
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The Haaretz article ALSO include the PALESTINIAN version of the killing, not only the IDF’s.

Since you started this story with 3 versions from palestinian sources, WHY are you NOT presenting the palestinian story as per HAARETZ?

Aussie Dave said:
“I can’t work out if you are playing dumb, or are just slow.”
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My concern is that you will be perceived BIASED, when you ONLY update the IDF-version.

IF you are PERCEIVED biased, then your efforts will be void: “Just another bender of facts”.

That will come ON TOP OF the topics you CHOOSE to focus on.

Like I said before:
- Do GOOD what you choose to do.

But first comes: CHOOSE to do GOOD.

PS:
- IF IDF is to blame for the killing, will the widow and the 3 small children get compensation for the loss of their father?
- It must be easy to find out if there really was an attempt to plant a bomb, don’t you think?

Aussie Dave said:
… “more and more people are seeing through the palestinian spin, thanks to blogs like mine.”
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Palestinian spin?
I am talking about Haaretz version.

1) You did not find it.
2) Even when you were told there was a Haaretz version
3) When the link was presented to you, you chose to update ONLY the IDF-version.

You should present the WHOLE story as given by Haaretz, unless YOU are in the spin-business. - Are you?

PS:
You do know that IDF have been caught in lies before?

Nice try, bugalugs.

You are right, I did not see the Ha’aretz report until you provided the link. And then I immmediately updated my post with a link to the story. You know, a link to the report, which did not prove that the IDF deliberately killed innocent civilians for fun, as the palestinian sources reported.

Now I am done with this discussion, since you keep raising the same points and make the same accusations. It is clear you are merely trying to advance your own agenda, and are not interested in actual debate. Any further such comments from you will be deleted.

Querius,

Honest discussion is allowed and welcomed, even if I don’t agree with the arguments.

You have crossed the line by repeating the same old point again and again, ignoring my counter-arguments, and telling me how I should be writing blog posts.

Feel free to correct me, but I see your comments as a transparent attempt to promote a one-sided palestinian agenda on my blog, rather than comments coming from someone genuinely interested in understanding the other side.

And that’s how the Bore War ended.

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