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		<title>By: Israellycool &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Per Version: The Supposed Shooting of A Palestinian Child</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-14667</link>
		<dc:creator>Israellycool &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Per Version: The Supposed Shooting of A Palestinian Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] always, it seems interesting to me that something as straightforward as the killing of a palestinian child should be reported so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] always, it seems interesting to me that something as straightforward as the killing of a palestinian child should be reported so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13343</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kibi,

I think you are missing the point. The palestinians are quick to accuse Israel of all sorts of crimes. The fact they report on events with scant regard for the facts - even if you consider them minor things like "age" and "location" - demonstrates that these reports need to be taken with a grain of salt. The more instances of this I show, the more likely it is that this is not the odd instance of "sloppiness", but part of a phenomenom of quickly reporting one's own version of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kibi,</p>
<p>I think you are missing the point. The palestinians are quick to accuse Israel of all sorts of crimes. The fact they report on events with scant regard for the facts - even if you consider them minor things like &#8220;age&#8221; and &#8220;location&#8221; - demonstrates that these reports need to be taken with a grain of salt. The more instances of this I show, the more likely it is that this is not the odd instance of &#8220;sloppiness&#8221;, but part of a phenomenom of quickly reporting one&#8217;s own version of events.</p>
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		<title>By: Kibi</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13342</link>
		<dc:creator>Kibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well....it *could* be nefarious, but I think you are smart enough to think this out. What is gained from claiming 27 as opposed to 21 (or vice versa)? What is nefarious about "in the village" as opposed to "on the way to the village".

I'm sure there are many cases where there *are* nefarious changes. Something like "walking to his home near the fence" as opposed to "trying to dig under the fence near his home" can have a world of difference. I'm just not sure you've highlighted the right incidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;.it *could* be nefarious, but I think you are smart enough to think this out. What is gained from claiming 27 as opposed to 21 (or vice versa)? What is nefarious about &#8220;in the village&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;on the way to the village&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are many cases where there *are* nefarious changes. Something like &#8220;walking to his home near the fence&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;trying to dig under the fence near his home&#8221; can have a world of difference. I&#8217;m just not sure you&#8217;ve highlighted the right incidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Querius</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13326</link>
		<dc:creator>Querius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aussie Dave said:
... "And I link to my previous version, which has an update based on the Ha’aretz article. So what on Earth are you on about?

You are clearly trying to show some bias on my part, yet are only demonstrating yours."
.....................................................

Re Bias,
YOU chose to update only the IDF-version.

I think it is best show all relevant info, and THEN discuss.
I am not sure why you only give ONE side of the story. Especially when there is a widow and young children left behind.
You do not find it appropiate to dig into what will happen to them now? Do you know their age and names?

Untill you follow up your first story properly, I think you should refrain from opening new ones.
Halfdone work creates bad reputation. Bad reputation is difficult to change. It lives on and on ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aussie Dave said:<br />
&#8230; &#8220;And I link to my previous version, which has an update based on the Ha’aretz article. So what on Earth are you on about?</p>
<p>You are clearly trying to show some bias on my part, yet are only demonstrating yours.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Re Bias,<br />
YOU chose to update only the IDF-version.</p>
<p>I think it is best show all relevant info, and THEN discuss.<br />
I am not sure why you only give ONE side of the story. Especially when there is a widow and young children left behind.<br />
You do not find it appropiate to dig into what will happen to them now? Do you know their age and names?</p>
<p>Untill you follow up your first story properly, I think you should refrain from opening new ones.<br />
Halfdone work creates bad reputation. Bad reputation is difficult to change. It lives on and on &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13313</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kibi,

You could be right, but I view the palestinian reports with deep suspicion, especially considering their history of bias and the throwaway lines you mentioned.

It is worth investigating them when I see these glaring errors because while they might be due to sloppy reporting, they could also be due to more nefarious reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kibi,</p>
<p>You could be right, but I view the palestinian reports with deep suspicion, especially considering their history of bias and the throwaway lines you mentioned.</p>
<p>It is worth investigating them when I see these glaring errors because while they might be due to sloppy reporting, they could also be due to more nefarious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13312</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Querius,

The fact remains that the palestinian reports are littered with inaccuracies, as evidenced by the different versions. This calls into question the "facts" as they report them. And I link to my previous version, which has an update based on the Ha'aretz article. So what on Earth are you on about?

You are clearly trying to show some bias on my part, yet are only demonstrating yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Querius,</p>
<p>The fact remains that the palestinian reports are littered with inaccuracies, as evidenced by the different versions. This calls into question the &#8220;facts&#8221; as they report them. And I link to my previous version, which has an update based on the Ha&#8217;aretz article. So what on Earth are you on about?</p>
<p>You are clearly trying to show some bias on my part, yet are only demonstrating yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Querius</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13301</link>
		<dc:creator>Querius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it wise to start a NEW analysis of "What really happened", when your FIRST is very UNFINISHED?:
http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/04/per-version/#comments

I think it is always wise to adjust activity to capacity and capability. 
- And do GOOD what you choose to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it wise to start a NEW analysis of &#8220;What really happened&#8221;, when your FIRST is very UNFINISHED?:<br />
<a href="http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/04/per-version/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/04/per-version/#comments</a></p>
<p>I think it is always wise to adjust activity to capacity and capability.<br />
- And do GOOD what you choose to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Kibi</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13296</link>
		<dc:creator>Kibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess no one else commented on this but I find this series (if 2 can be called a series) pretty unconvincing.

It's not that I think the Arab press tells the truth all the time, but the inconsistencies you point out are the sort of thing that would be found in any fairly sloppy reporting. Mixing up someone's age from 21 to 27 could be a typo, a misreading of handwritten notes or a genuine mistake - I find it hard to attach mendacity to it.

The real problem is the blatant bias such as "Israelis regularly run over Arabs for fun and profit", used as throwaway lines which set most of the tone of the articles.

It might be interesting if you check the major Israeli (or Australian?) newspapers for reports next time someone is killed in a car accident - mistkaes like these creep in to all papers. Private Eye used to (maybe still does) make fun of British paapers which found it necessary in every newspaper article to follow a person's name with their age (often incorrect) - "Mr. Cohen, 47, of London was found in possession of a large bottle of water....Cohen, 43, said he found the water on the side of the road..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess no one else commented on this but I find this series (if 2 can be called a series) pretty unconvincing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I think the Arab press tells the truth all the time, but the inconsistencies you point out are the sort of thing that would be found in any fairly sloppy reporting. Mixing up someone&#8217;s age from 21 to 27 could be a typo, a misreading of handwritten notes or a genuine mistake - I find it hard to attach mendacity to it.</p>
<p>The real problem is the blatant bias such as &#8220;Israelis regularly run over Arabs for fun and profit&#8221;, used as throwaway lines which set most of the tone of the articles.</p>
<p>It might be interesting if you check the major Israeli (or Australian?) newspapers for reports next time someone is killed in a car accident - mistkaes like these creep in to all papers. Private Eye used to (maybe still does) make fun of British paapers which found it necessary in every newspaper article to follow a person&#8217;s name with their age (often incorrect) - &#8220;Mr. Cohen, 47, of London was found in possession of a large bottle of water&#8230;.Cohen, 43, said he found the water on the side of the road&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brehm</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2007/12/30/per-version-part-deux/#comment-13268</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Brehm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that two of the sources also "know" that it was deliberate whereas the other two merely imply that it was.

Ma'an also reports that two Israelis were murdered before that happened.

The Indian report is the weirdest. It's a lot more anti-Israel than the Palestinian sources (for some reason) and also reports that "settlers frequently attack" people.

It's good to hear that the death of _one_ Palestinian in a road accident is newsworthy.

We can be proud of Israel if that sort of thing makes the news in a region where often hundreds of thousands  die due to deliberate genocide, like in Sudan now and Iraq under Saddam.

That was apparently the most evil thing they could blame the Jews for this week: an Arab was run over by a car.

At least it could have been deliberate. There's your evil Jew. Look at him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that two of the sources also &#8220;know&#8221; that it was deliberate whereas the other two merely imply that it was.</p>
<p>Ma&#8217;an also reports that two Israelis were murdered before that happened.</p>
<p>The Indian report is the weirdest. It&#8217;s a lot more anti-Israel than the Palestinian sources (for some reason) and also reports that &#8220;settlers frequently attack&#8221; people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to hear that the death of _one_ Palestinian in a road accident is newsworthy.</p>
<p>We can be proud of Israel if that sort of thing makes the news in a region where often hundreds of thousands  die due to deliberate genocide, like in Sudan now and Iraq under Saddam.</p>
<p>That was apparently the most evil thing they could blame the Jews for this week: an Arab was run over by a car.</p>
<p>At least it could have been deliberate. There&#8217;s your evil Jew. Look at him!</p>
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