Comments on: Out In the Open http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:46:26 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Shourik http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13610 Shourik Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:04:12 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13610 G'day Dave As an Aussie-born Hindu, I agree with SH Varma's comments to a point. Gandhi is this touchstone of all that is good in the West, and particularly the left, without examining the nuances of the man. There are particular times in his life when his ego comes to the fore, for example, and we can't forget that his relationship with his children suffered a great deal due to Gandhi's work. Thanks for linking to the article (I got here via pajamas media). I see that a lot of comments have been posted on the WaPo page. My main comment is not so much about the validity of his criticisms of Jews or Israel (sometimes there is a tendency to confuse the two, right?) but that he does not EVER highlight the violence which has been deliberately utilised against Israeli women and children from the other side. I could go on for ages but I'll leave it there. Cheers G’day Dave

As an Aussie-born Hindu, I agree with SH Varma’s comments to a point.

Gandhi is this touchstone of all that is good in the West, and particularly the left, without examining the nuances of the man. There are particular times in his life when his ego comes to the fore, for example, and we can’t forget that his relationship with his children suffered a great deal due to Gandhi’s work.

Thanks for linking to the article (I got here via pajamas media). I see that a lot of comments have been posted on the WaPo page.

My main comment is not so much about the validity of his criticisms of Jews or Israel (sometimes there is a tendency to confuse the two, right?) but that he does not EVER highlight the violence which has been deliberately utilised against Israeli women and children from the other side.

I could go on for ages but I’ll leave it there.

Cheers

]]> By: Israellycool » Blog Archive » The Gandhi Art of Non-Apology http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13605 Israellycool » Blog Archive » The Gandhi Art of Non-Apology Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:22:17 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13605 [...] the zillionth anti-Semite to come out of the Jew-hating closet, has followed up what he calls his “poorly worded post” …. with a poorly worded [...] [...] the zillionth anti-Semite to come out of the Jew-hating closet, has followed up what he calls his “poorly worded post” …. with a poorly worded [...]

]]> By: S.H Varma http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13582 S.H Varma Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:15 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13582 In a way I think that Arun Gandhi did a good thing - he spoke his mind and shows the world again what a bloody moron he is. Yet, for someone who had a closer look at the political views of his grandfather this comes hardly as a surprise. In fact, he is really carrying on his grandfathers heritage and his words remind us of the true nature of his grandfather. Contrary to common believe, Mohandas Gandhi was not just this soft-spoken half-naked asket. He admired Hitler and formed his political views of politicized religion after those of Amin Al Husseini who visitied India in 1927 to form a coalition with the Deobandi movement. After the fallout from his failed political experiments hit India, not only thousands of Hindus were dead (the Moplah massacre), but also M.K. Gandhi himself. As a supporter of the Khalifat movement he became a political danger to his own political party, so some of his former followers decided to kill him. His heritage and his role remain highly questionable to the majority of Hindus today. Gandhi may be a hero in the west - in India he is seen as a less positive light. Something that usually surprises westeners is that many Indians regard Narayan Apte and Nathuram Godse as the real heros in this story, because they stopped Gandhi before he could to even bigger harm. In a way I think that Arun Gandhi did a good thing – he spoke his mind and shows the world again what a bloody moron he is.

Yet, for someone who had a closer look at the political views of his grandfather this comes hardly as a surprise. In fact, he is really carrying on his grandfathers heritage and his words remind us of the true nature of his grandfather.

Contrary to common believe, Mohandas Gandhi was not just this soft-spoken half-naked asket. He admired Hitler and formed his political views of politicized religion after those of Amin Al Husseini who visitied India in 1927 to form a coalition with the Deobandi movement.

After the fallout from his failed political experiments hit India, not only thousands of Hindus were dead (the Moplah massacre), but also M.K. Gandhi himself. As a supporter of the Khalifat movement he became a political danger to his own political party, so some of his former followers decided to kill him. His heritage and his role remain highly questionable to the majority of Hindus today. Gandhi may be a hero in the west – in India he is seen as a less positive light. Something that usually surprises westeners is that many Indians regard Narayan Apte and Nathuram Godse as the real heros in this story, because they stopped Gandhi before he could to even bigger harm.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13572 Jeff Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:37:21 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13572 Time to play Mad Libs. Imagine if he wrote this about palestinians. More Mad Libs. Why don't these guys go to Miami, and ask everyone why they have bars on the windows, or have walled communities? And then attempt to convince people to get rid of both. It's ridiculous in general context. And in all cases, if something happened tomorrow due to someones suggestion. The suggester will go about their day, and forgot the people injured or killed 3 days later. Same with the people who talk about Iran. What if they lobbed the bomb tomorrow? "whoops" "oh well". Will their day be any different or will they remember 7 years from now?? It's easy to talk on an ivory tower with no vested interest. Opinions are like....maybe you know the vulgar expression. But everyones got one. End rant, I'm tired of these people who pop up practically daily. Time to play Mad Libs. Imagine if he wrote this about palestinians.
More Mad Libs. Why don’t these guys go to Miami, and ask everyone why they have bars on the windows, or have walled communities? And then attempt to convince people to get rid of both.
It’s ridiculous in general context. And in all cases, if something happened tomorrow due to someones suggestion. The suggester will go about their day, and forgot the people injured or killed 3 days later. Same with the people who talk about Iran. What if they lobbed the bomb tomorrow? “whoops” “oh well”. Will their day be any different or will they remember 7 years from now?? It’s easy to talk on an ivory tower with no vested interest.
Opinions are like….maybe you know the vulgar expression. But everyones got one. End rant, I’m tired of these people who pop up practically daily.

]]> By: PrimerX http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13568 PrimerX Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:57:48 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13568 If we followed Gandhi's pacifistic mantra of resisting genocidal despots through peaceful means alone, the world would be ruled by these dictators. If we followed Gandhi’s pacifistic mantra of resisting genocidal despots through peaceful means alone, the world would be ruled by these dictators.

]]> By: Shy Guy http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13561 Shy Guy Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:53:04 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13561 I have several words for Gandhi but this is a family oriented site. I have several words for Gandhi but this is a family oriented site.

]]> By: JSG http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/comment-page-1/#comment-13552 JSG Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:36:59 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/01/10/out-in-the-open/#comment-13552 I have one word for Gandhi: moron. I have one word for Gandhi: moron.

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