Just because you have the ability to number points, does not mean you actually said anything true.

1. Historically, which nation of people in the land were the “palestinians”? I challenge you to convince me there was a distinct Arab nation in the land.

2. You honestly think there is a moral equivalence between palestinian terrorists deliberately killing innocent people, and the IDF accidentally killing civilians who are killed, more often than not, due to the fact the terrorists are using them as human shields?

3. Because you say so? Again, please provide some proof from historical sources. Because my research - which I am sure is more extensive than yours - shows otherwise.

4. Uhh..no. See my point 2 above. And by the way, your moral compass is really faulty. May want to get it checked out.

Actually, my understanding of the conflict is based on historical fact. And what you said is complete and utter rubbish.

Reasons why the “so-called” Palestinians deserve independence:
1. They have been living under oppressive Israeli occupation for way to long, in land legally recognized as belonging to the Palestinian people.

2. The Israelis are just as guilty as Palestinians (or more so) in killing indiscriminately; women, children, non-combatants… one look at civilian deaths in the recent intifada should put any doubts to rest.

3. Just as the region is the historical homeland of the Jews, it is also the historical homeland of the Palestinians.

4. How have they forfeited their right to independence through “morally reprehensible behavior” (addressed above, the Israelis behave immorally as well)? That’s like saying the Native Americans forfeited their right to any land in the United States after they attacked Custer’s army…

At least have a few fair arguments in your ranting and ravings. I assume your understanding of the conflict is nuanced enough to understand that both sides have legitimate and illegitimate claims to the land, and both behave morally and immorally each with the same goal of creating/protecting a land they claim as their own.

Yes they are.

But I am also for “Palestinian” independence. Like Israel in 1948 I am all for an Arab state next to Israel.

It’s thing about destroying Israel and throwing the Jews into the sea that I have a problem with.

If “Palestinians” declared independence and the world acknowledged that Israel does indeed _not_ owe them a living, I would celebrate.

Of course, like in Kosovo, the “Palestinians” would have to fullfill certain obligations:

1. Minority rights. This means that Israeli “settlers” must be able to live in peace.

2. No attacking and trying to destroy neighbouring countries. This means that “Palestine” does not have the right to attack Jews or Israel or claim Israel as part of their country. (And the same goes for Jordan, which the PLO tried to take over once.)

The problem here is, of course, that in contrast to the Albanians in Kosovo the Arabs in Judaea and Samaria do NOT want independence, they want to kill Jews.

If they wanted independence, they would have taken it in 1948, 1967, 1994, or 2000 (or in Gaza a few years ago).

You can be sure that Kosovo would have accepted independence if it had been offered such at any such point.