To All Those Christian Missionary Sites
';I have noticed a real increase in the number of Christian missionary sites appearing in my referrers list. Clearly, they are not appearing on the referrer’s list because they linked to any of my posts. I am not entirely sure how they do it, but what is clear is that whatever they are doing is designed to bring more Jews like me to their sites.
If you are the owner of any of these sites, let me save you the trouble.
There is no way I will ever believe what you believe.
Ever.
With cherries on top.
So I suggest you focus on being a good person, and not on trying to cause others to stumble.
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An Australian immigrant to Israel, Aussie Dave has been blogging since early 2003.
March 14th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Now now, no need to get snippy. Have you at least looked to see if they are just linking to your blog? Please don’t assume that all Christians, or Jewish believers, are as ignorant of Judaism as you seem to think they are.
March 14th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Yes, I have looked.
And I don’t assume all Christians are ignorant. But any Jew who gives up Judaism for Christianity is certainly ignorant of Judaism.
March 14th, 2008 at 9:59 am
No, they like the site. You’re already saved Dave.
March 14th, 2008 at 10:36 am
i suspect that ann coulter could have a hand in this…;)
March 14th, 2008 at 10:42 am
abunafha,
You just might be on to something!
March 14th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
The children of Israel are a special people in G-d’s economy.
Our Christian scriptures in Revelation speak of the Jewish people’s redemption, and I do not believe you must convert to Christianity like gentiles.
I read your blog for unvarnished news from Israel; you post good info and have a great sense of humor.
March 14th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
OK. we won’t ban you from the Internet.
March 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Dave, that’s really, really dubious, but if you mention the names of some of the sites I (a Christian) probably can give you some insight about them. Some Christians care passionately about Israel and so visit your site. Speaking for myself, as much as I’d love all people, Jew or Gentile to have heart conversions, I come to your site for Israel info, not theology, though it’s not taboo for me.
I’ll even give you a tip: in case you want to avoid the same mistake, your last sentence is a missionary-magnet:
“So I suggest you focus on being a good person…”
(I’m pretty sure Christian prayers for your soul just went through the roof on that one…can’t tell you why though, it could be perceived as “missionizing” ;-))
March 14th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Reverend Jim Bob here. Hell, AussieDave, just a simple layin’ on of the hands in just the right spot and you’ll be speakin’ in tongues in no time. Praise Jeezuus!
March 14th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I don’t buy it. The more logical conclusion is that folks read and refer to this site for information and perspective that is not otherwise readily available.
Even Christians can appreciate the juxtaposition of a ‘martyr’ next to an adolescent that misses the prom because a ‘work accident’ lands him in an ambulance.
I’ll admit that there are some exceedingly dense Christians out there, but my experience is that they are mostly of the ‘blame the joos’ variety. In the U.S., it has been my experience that most Christians support Israel and Jewish people, separately and together, and that most Christians are wary of anyone that displays missionary zeal. It is not too much of an exageration to suggest that those that are most publically zealous are also most likely to be caught in sex scandals or financial shenanigans.
March 14th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
My site is not a “Christian Missionary site”– in fact I am sure there are some “Christion Missionaries” than would love to see me removed from the net because I was not nice to
HuckleberryGov. Huckabee. But I do link to your site (and actually read it) because, as others have said, you provide incredible insight as to what is really going on in Israel from “on the ground.” And besides that, I am one of those Republicans that believes that support for Israel is as non-negotiable as Gun-Owner rights.Speaking of support for Israel– Any Americans that read this post– Call your Congressman- Tell them to lift the restriction on the sale of the F-22 to Israel. Israel is asking to buy, and we should definately sell… I give reasons on my site– you can click here to find it…but I digress…
Dave- You are doing a great job and providing great information, insight and an incredible service…Keep it up!
March 16th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Jewish commandments (mitzvot) :
(355) To slay the inhabitants of a city that has become idolatrous and burn that city (Deut. 13:16-17) (affirmative).
Judaism has some of the problems that islam has, it’s just extremely downplayed them. (and btw, this is not the only Jewish commandment that has a few … euhm … problems, so please don’t think this is a large exception, it isn’t even the worst)
To be honest … this worries me … if orthodox judaism ever commands a large following (again) … won’t they do just do the same they did “last time” ?
I’ve heard rabbi’s defend both sides of this argument. One was actually of the opinion that Jerusalem’s Jews should lay siege to even Tel Aviv. Now granted this guy was a nutcase, but he does have a point. Certainly that Jews should lay siege and slay a city like Paris or New York is, scripturally, a defendable statement).
Right now the sane Jews have power. This does not mean there aren’t any problem cases, and yes they’re marginal. But they’re very present.
But why don’t you tell me, Aussie Dave, in the different religion that Jesus preached, one of the main differences was that these laws are NOT to be followed in this way of interpretation. Since you claim to be Jewish and opposed to Christianity, let me ask you : do you agree with him ? Or not ?
Unless you believe that lighting 2 candles when the sun sets of a mountain in Israel is vastly more important than such little things as a genocide command …
March 16th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Why should we believe a liar and a phoney? And there were so many like him at the time…..
Hey! You can have him - Peter, Paul and Mary, too!
BTW, Tel Aviv does not halachically qualify as an Ir Hanidachat. Yes, whoever you heard is a nut. BTW, how many cases of Ir Hanidiachat were there in Jewish history? You can count them on less than 1 finger.
But if there were such a case, our love for Hashem is supposed to come first and foremost before our natural tendencies calling for compassion. Don’t like it? Take it up with the Almighty.
And therein you’ve got yourself a problem. Even Jesus never said that the Torah wasn’t the Divine word of G-d - every last word of it. He - or better yet his disciple - only claimed that from hereon in, there’s a new order. Poof! Just like that! So, theoretically, even if you believe in Jesus, the G-d of this world did command all of those Mitzvot to Bnei Yisrael.
So, was G-d wrong? Did he make a boo-boo? Or is G-d Kerry-flipping fickle and changes His mind, even after forewarning us that the Torah and its commandments are everlasting (another problem with Christianity)?
Do you wish to slide further down your slippery theological slope? Remember, you asked for it.
March 16th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Just to get an idea of what hoops of fire a situation has to go through before a city can be declared an Ir Hanidachat, see this article. Hebrew and elementary Torah study knowledge might be a prerequisite to understanding the article.
March 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Hey, I’ve heard that there are Christian groups out there that give monetary support to us Jews living in Israel. As in direct money in the pocket support. Like, “hey Danny, here’s a check.”
Anyone have any info on that??
March 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I never heard that the Jewish Messiah only came for the gentiles before. According to Daniel, Messiah will be cut off and the Temple will be destroyed. So I guess the Temple will be rebuilt, Messiah will come and be cut off, and the Temple will be destroyed.
March 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Danny, there are tons of Christians who are good friends of Israel and there are tons more who are good friends with the intended goal of loving us until we’re tricked into conversion. This latter group consists of numerous Churches, institutions and individuals and they often work in subtle and cunning ways. They are an endangerment to the Jewish wellbeing of Am Yisrael.
Sadly, many Israeli institutions (including major Yeshivot), politicians and even yishuvim accept money from these people, often ignoring the warnings and evidence of what the donors’ goals and intentions are.
March 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Ha, yeah Shy Guy, I know those types. I’m from the Bible Belt of the South. I grew up with them.
But if someone wants to hook me up with a few extra dinars… I’m cool with that. Fulfill the biblical prophecy through me!
March 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
There’s a difference between “contributing” and “hooking”.
March 17th, 2008 at 9:01 am
I know lots of Christians really strongly support the Jews and I like the real religious ones too.
But looking at modern Jewish society I see lots of decadence in it.
I am not as sure as to why we should support the Jews after all they have no oil.
I feel like the only reason we support the Jews is because they have bought off our politicians. This isn’t a blame the Jews for everything conspiracy like talk. This is simply looking at the campaign contribution reports.
March 17th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Well, after Obama wins I guess we won’t be supporting you either.
We will have to see if that turns out best for both of us.
March 17th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Personally, I know longer fear Obama winning.
As for supporting Jews or not, it’s always nice to have the moral support. As for no-strings-attached contributions, that’s always nice. However, I wish the bulk of it were coming from Jewish contributors. It’s our responsibility to take care of ourselves.
March 17th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Thats not the same Steve as me by the way. All those posts and now I’m going to have to think up a nickname to disassociate myself from my own name.
I’ll just add an 87, best way to tell my last posts, I’m the “wow really”- slightly funnier, less likely to bash you over the head and you wake up at your own baptism - one.
March 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
How about “T. O. Steve”?
March 18th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Rabbanut, Rabbanim, all asleep at the wheel. Avodah Zara on the steps of Har Habayit, sanctioned by us. Purim 5768.