Comments on: The (Almost) Hollywood Hasid http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:25:30 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Yisrael Dov http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15677 Yisrael Dov Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:34:49 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15677 First off he deserves a big yasher koach, for such a big kiddush hashem. How many of you could say that you would choose your community over fame and fortune ? How many of you would have picked up and moved and left your life behind to be a movie star? Second, why do you automatically believe every thing that the rashim say in these papers? What happened to dan l'chaf zchus? Why do you take it literally that his community wanted to kill him ? You've never heard a jew exaggerate to make a point!? No one was going to kill him, bvdai! I'm sure that he is very greatful to his community and rabonim for putting pressure on him, and saving him from a huge mistake. Does any one have an e-mail for him ? I would like to send a yasher koach! First off he deserves a big yasher koach, for such a big kiddush hashem. How many of you could say that you would choose your community over fame and fortune ? How many of you would have picked up and moved and left your life behind to be a movie star?

Second, why do you automatically believe every thing that the rashim say in these papers? What happened to dan l’chaf zchus? Why do you take it literally that his community wanted to kill him ? You’ve never heard a jew exaggerate to make a point!? No one was going to kill him, bvdai! I’m sure that he is very greatful to his community and rabonim for putting pressure on him, and saving him from a huge mistake.

Does any one have an e-mail for him ? I would like to send a yasher koach!

]]> By: seraphya http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15646 seraphya Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:55:38 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15646 He wasn't being asked to break any part of halacha, and felt comfortable standing up for his observance. Instead of having a discussion about if this was ok, the community went straight to all out scare tactics. He isn't a man of principles. A man of principles would stand by what he thought was right. He is just bowing to community pressure because he has no way to keep his family in the community otherwise. He knows that he could use this opportunity for a great kiddush hashem, but instead he is backed into a wall. poor guy, he may be a man of principles, but his "decision" doesn't prove or disprove that thesis. He wasn’t being asked to break any part of halacha, and felt comfortable standing up for his observance. Instead of having a discussion about if this was ok, the community went straight to all out scare tactics. He isn’t a man of principles. A man of principles would stand by what he thought was right. He is just bowing to community pressure because he has no way to keep his family in the community otherwise. He knows that he could use this opportunity for a great kiddush hashem, but instead he is backed into a wall. poor guy, he may be a man of principles, but his “decision” doesn’t prove or disprove that thesis.

]]> By: Shy Guy http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15633 Shy Guy Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:05:26 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15633 So we were all misled by the first post here that we're talking about Chabad. Thanks for the correction. So we were all misled by the first post here that we’re talking about Chabad. Thanks for the correction.

]]> By: Madelyn http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15625 Madelyn Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:22:31 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15625 Just to correct a misunderstanding here: He is from Williamsburg! He has absolutely no ties with the following of Rabbi Shneerson who is Habad/ Lubavitch and he is most definitely a Satmar. These two groups despise each other to the point of fist fights at times.The Satmar are extremely fanatic, there are anti Israel posters on their buses and along the street, and the area that they live in (at least until 10 years ago) looks like the pictures from the ghettos in Europe. I can definitely understand why he decided to give up this opportunity. He would most likely have lost everything - family, work, home.... Just to correct a misunderstanding here: He is from Williamsburg! He has absolutely no ties with the following of Rabbi Shneerson who is Habad/ Lubavitch and he is most definitely a Satmar. These two groups despise each other to the point of fist fights at times.The Satmar are extremely fanatic, there are anti Israel posters on their buses and along the street, and the area that they live in (at least until 10 years ago) looks like the pictures from the ghettos in Europe. I can definitely understand why he decided to give up this opportunity. He would most likely have lost everything – family, work, home….

]]> By: Shy Guy http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15622 Shy Guy Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:15:33 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15622 <blockquote>Sven Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:51 am Very sad to see what indoctrination can do to people.</blockquote> And you think you're not indoctrinated? Hah. Very nice to see what principled beliefs in dignity, modesty and Jewish family life can do to people. <i>Smoke on your pipe and put that in!</i>

Sven Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:51 am

Very sad to see what indoctrination can do to people.

And you think you’re not indoctrinated? Hah.

Very nice to see what principled beliefs in dignity, modesty and Jewish family life can do to people.

Smoke on your pipe and put that in!

]]> By: Sven http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15598 Sven Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:51:13 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15598 Very sad to see what indoctrination can do to people. Very sad to see what indoctrination can do to people.

]]> By: Shy Guy http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15563 Shy Guy Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:44:29 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15563 Paragraph 3 of the above article states: <blockquote><i>I am backing out of the movie,” said Karpen, <b>a kitchen cabinet salesman</b>.</blockquote> That's all the article claims. Paragraph 3 of the above article states:

I am backing out of the movie,” said Karpen, a kitchen cabinet salesman.

That’s all the article claims.

]]> By: Suzanne http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15561 Suzanne Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:24:11 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15561 @Shy Guy. You said: "There is no “prohibition” to acting itself. Jewish religious communities put on plays and skits all the time." Sure, but this guy seems to be an actor for <strong> television </strong>. Or was this only a one-time-try-out? @Shy Guy. You said: “There is no “prohibition” to acting itself. Jewish religious communities put on plays and skits all the time.”

Sure, but this guy seems to be an actor for television . Or was this only a one-time-try-out?

]]> By: Shy Guy http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15542 Shy Guy Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:43:14 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15542 <blockquote>steve Mar 17th, 2008 at 1:04 am <i>“We don’t watch television. We don’t go to the movies, so to be in a movie is the worst thing. It’s a shame for any Hasid,” he said. Wow….really? There have to be worse things than being in a film</i></blockquote> I think he meant it's worst within the subject under discussion. That is, starring in a movie is the worst when you don't watch movies or TV in the first place. That wasn't difficult. <blockquote><i>and I’d be very suprised if it said you weren’t allowed to act,</i></blockquote> There is no "prohibition" to acting itself. Jewish religious communities put on plays and skits all the time. Rather, it's the circumstances here that make it prohibitive in principle. <blockquote><i>Also; to threaten to kick his kids out of school, it’s an awful thing to do and atleast to me doesn’t serve the benevolent nature of the religion.</i></blockquote> Intentionally violating and not ceasing accepted community norms of modesty will often be grounds for one's children losing their place in a Jewish community's religious school. It's not retaliation. It's a concern of influence from the home on others. Doesn't bother me. <blockquote><i>It seems more like the poor guy was black mailed than him making a choice</i></blockquote> I see nothing wrong with a threat of disciplinary action in any society when called for. But he himself seems to have come to the realization that he accepted to do something he should have known better not to. Remember, this guy is a cabinet salesman by profession. <blockquote><i>and it’s a shame to turn down the oppurtunity to have a high profile, good natured ambassador for Chasidic judaism.</i></blockquote> I have always been taught that as a general rule, the best way to be a Jewish ambassador is to not to sully one's reputation in environments and situations unbecoming to the religious Jewish standards one represents. This is one of those cases.

steve Mar 17th, 2008 at 1:04 am

“We don’t watch television. We don’t go to the movies, so to be in a movie is the worst thing. It’s a shame for any Hasid,” he said.

Wow….really? There have to be worse things than being in a film

I think he meant it’s worst within the subject under discussion. That is, starring in a movie is the worst when you don’t watch movies or TV in the first place. That wasn’t difficult.

and I’d be very suprised if it said you weren’t allowed to act,

There is no “prohibition” to acting itself. Jewish religious communities put on plays and skits all the time. Rather, it’s the circumstances here that make it prohibitive in principle.

Also; to threaten to kick his kids out of school, it’s an awful thing to do and atleast to me doesn’t serve the benevolent nature of the religion.

Intentionally violating and not ceasing accepted community norms of modesty will often be grounds for one’s children losing their place in a Jewish community’s religious school. It’s not retaliation. It’s a concern of influence from the home on others. Doesn’t bother me.

It seems more like the poor guy was black mailed than him making a choice

I see nothing wrong with a threat of disciplinary action in any society when called for. But he himself seems to have come to the realization that he accepted to do something he should have known better not to. Remember, this guy is a cabinet salesman by profession.

and it’s a shame to turn down the oppurtunity to have a high profile, good natured ambassador for Chasidic judaism.

I have always been taught that as a general rule, the best way to be a Jewish ambassador is to not to sully one’s reputation in environments and situations unbecoming to the religious Jewish standards one represents. This is one of those cases.

]]> By: steve http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/comment-page-1/#comment-15532 steve Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:04:11 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/2008/03/15/the-almost-hollywood-hasid/#comment-15532 “We don’t watch television. We don’t go to the movies, so to be in a movie is the worst thing. It’s a shame for any Hasid,” he said. Wow....really? There have to be worse things than being in a film and I'd be very suprised if it said you weren't allowed to act, in any scripture, it seems they were more up in arms over him acting than what he was being asked to do. Also; to threaten to kick his kids out of school, it's an awful thing to do and atleast to me doesn't serve the benevolent nature of the religion. It seems more like the poor guy was black mailed than him making a choice and it's a shame to turn down the oppurtunity to have a high profile, good natured ambassador for Chasidic judaism. “We don’t watch television. We don’t go to the movies, so to be in a movie is the worst thing. It’s a shame for any Hasid,” he said.

Wow….really? There have to be worse things than being in a film and I’d be very suprised if it said you weren’t allowed to act, in any scripture, it seems they were more up in arms over him acting than what he was being asked to do.

Also; to threaten to kick his kids out of school, it’s an awful thing to do and atleast to me doesn’t serve the benevolent nature of the religion. It seems more like the poor guy was black mailed than him making a choice and it’s a shame to turn down the oppurtunity to have a high profile, good natured ambassador for Chasidic judaism.

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