Comments on: Epic Fail: Avatard Facebook Group

By: juvanya ג׳ווניע

juvanya ג׳ווניע — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:42:02 +0000

Israel is a 70% Arab state, the largest Arab state with no membership in the Arab League.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:59:03 +0000

Andres, that's the point. Israel IS in the midst of moving the wall after protests in order to accommodate innocent Palestinian Arab families so their farm land is reconnected. There are some pretty terrible things Israel has done but this is the difference between Israel and the terrorists subjugating their own people in the West Bank and Gaza in that change can and will come for Israel. However, the wall should not come down because it is only a wall in places where snipers were shooting from in towns. The rest of it is literally barbed wire in order to make sure no suicide bombers are coming through on back routes. And your argument that the trouble has ended is too simplistic. So because the wall has reduced suicide bombing attacks to a mere percentage of what they used to be, it should be torn down? That is silly.

By: andres

andres — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:52:40 +0000

would you be ok if the palestians were doing that to your populations? ofcourse not. If the wall was built for protection from suicide bombers, is it ok to return that land when the trouble ends? Or compensate the families that were displaced? surely they arent terrorist too.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:48:33 +0000

I was actually trying to make a point that rewriting history is bad but that both sides are guilty of it. So its a fairly moot point by trying to portray Israelis as evil hijackers of history.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:46:42 +0000

Actually, the majority of Israelis are Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews, AKA the Jews who have been living in the Middle East for several hundred to thousands of years.

Trust me, I wrote a research paper on the demographic tensions in Israel and I got lambasted pretty hard for writing that Askenazim make up the majority of Jews in Israel.

By: andres

andres — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:23:10 +0000

So you would agree that what the swedes did to rewrite finish history in finland is wrong. so why would it be right for the isrealis to do that to the palestinians.

Or to flip the scrip, would it be ok for palestinian to rewrite history and ignore and misrepresent isreali history? I think this would be wrong, dont you think?

I think we all live in a real world.

By: andres

andres — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:17:06 +0000

Did all those palestinians that live there today arrive on boats too, were they from europe, since no one was living in an empty desert? This cuts both ways.

Oh ya I forgot, they are all from jordan etc, just like the most isrealis are askinazi.

Were is the republic of isreal in 1900's? On the maps ive seen its says palestine, not isreal, wether an empty desert or not. for if palestinians werent there, than surely isrealis werent either.

By: juvanya ג׳ווניע

juvanya ג׳ווניע — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:08:26 +0000

Who said no one was living there? We are saying that there was no Palestine thought of as a national entity until the 1960s at the earliest. There were Arabs there, just as there were Jews, Christians, Africans, and other groups that somehow wandered in. What there wasnt was any country or entity caled Palestine or much development. Virtually everyone lived there as nomads or farmers, often feudal farmers (to powerful Arabs and Turks).

As more Jews started returning and developing the land more, Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, an Lebanon came to get jobs, increasing the population of Arabs substantially.

There may not have been a Republic of Israel in 1900, but from 1200 or 1000 to 0 BCE, with a few hundred years of foreign rule, there was a Kingdom of Israel in many forms. and the Jews have always wanted to restore it.

Palestine was just a name applied to the land by the Romans. It was never incorporated into anything, especially not Arab or Muslim. Each successive invader after the Romans just made it a province or made it part of other provinces. There never was any entity called Palestine. It is just a general name for a region like Appalachia or Siberia or Iberia. Even if the land were completely empty for 2000 years, from Roman time to now, it would still be called Palestine because the name has nothing to do with who lives there.

In fact, until 1948, the Jews were called Palestinians, among other things. Arabs always considered themselves Arabs or members of the local tribe. There was the intermediate period when no one was a Palestinian and then the Arabs took the name up in the 1960s, knowing they could exploit vague historical knowledge and pretend they always had this country that Israel stole. Conveniently for them, Palestine is inscribed on almost every map since the Roman Empire.

By: andres

andres — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:41:58 +0000

nobody wants the jews to disappear. its that nobody want the palestinians to disappear either. I dont read the Koran or any other religious books. thank god(no pun intended). blanket statements about people is alittle too prejudice for me. Isreal is the 4th strongest army in the world with 200 nukes. What are you soo afraid of? those weak arab nations that bow to the US? please dont cry wolf. What most people want is a two state solution or full citizenship for people under occupation. 60 years is enough

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