Comments on: The Day In Israel: Sunday Aug 29th, 2010 http://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/ Down Under Punditry in the Middle East Sat, 26 May 2012 14:00:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: fototapetyhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-127576 fototapety Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:48:27 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-127576 Heya i?m for the first time here. I found this board and I find It really useful & it helped me out much. I hope to give something back and aid others like you helped me. Heya i?m for the first time here. I found this board and I find It really useful & it helped me out much. I hope to give something back and aid others like you helped me.

]]> By: Michael Zvi krumbeinhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44837 Michael Zvi krumbein Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:34:06 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44837 Your belief of what other people believe. The probability of your being correct is not high. Your belief of what other people believe. The probability of your being correct is not high.

]]> By: Michael Zvi krumbeinhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44836 Michael Zvi krumbein Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:31:34 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44836 Oh, I was going by the article you gave me, which implied they had voted for it. The Rosh Yeshiva of Har Etzion also supported Oslo I at first, as did Rabbi Riskin. And I don't understand what good resigning would do. I think your theory reminds me of that of Oslo - we have to do something, even if it will probably do more harm than good. Just like with Oslo, maybe there isn't anything to be done, until the hearts of the people are turned - and I don't think anything political is going to do that. A good, united, Dati Leumi party could get most of the Shas votes - you could get 18 seats perhaps, maybe more, with the Likud and religious YB voters. I wrote here how upset I was at the anti-democratic coup that Netanyahu pulled. But suppose he had not, and ignoring the fact that a lot of those votes were from people who weren't going to vote for Likud - what percentage did you get? I honestly wish you well. Since my wife DID vote for Likud, I am going to try get her registered so she can vote for some of your candidates. Oh, I was going by the article you gave me, which implied they had voted for it. The Rosh Yeshiva of Har Etzion also supported Oslo I at first, as did Rabbi Riskin. And I don't understand what good resigning would do.

I think your theory reminds me of that of Oslo – we have to do something, even if it will probably do more harm than good. Just like with Oslo, maybe there isn't anything to be done, until the hearts of the people are turned – and I don't think anything political is going to do that.

A good, united, Dati Leumi party could get most of the Shas votes – you could get 18 seats perhaps, maybe more, with the Likud and religious YB voters.

I wrote here how upset I was at the anti-democratic coup that Netanyahu pulled. But suppose he had not, and ignoring the fact that a lot of those votes were from people who weren't going to vote for Likud – what percentage did you get?

I honestly wish you well. Since my wife DID vote for Likud, I am going to try get her registered so she can vote for some of your candidates.

]]> By: Shy Guyhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44758 Shy Guy Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:33:58 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44758 <blockquote><i>Accirding to the opinion piece you linked to, Rav Yosef had Shas support Oslo I because he thought it would save Jewish lives.</i></blockquote> Then they should have voted for it - not abstained. Open your eyes. <blockquote><i>I can understand why the horrible outcome would get you upset, but he was far from the only one to make that mistake.</i></blockquote> Did they ever take responsibility? Did anyone ever resign? Did anyone ever apologize (not that will bring much comfort to the 1000s of dead, crippled and displaced)? Open your eyes. <blockquote><i>I feel about MY the way I feel about the two-state solution. It would be wonderful if it could work. I hope you prove me wrong.</i></blockquote> Go review an entire 62 years of the history of religious coalition partnerships and see where that got to in the long run. Nowhere. If you want to unite, you need masses of people and common values and goals which unite them. You will never find that in a religious party by definition. Good luck with the same old way of thinking.

Accirding to the opinion piece you linked to, Rav Yosef had Shas support Oslo I because he thought it would save Jewish lives.

Then they should have voted for it – not abstained.

Open your eyes.

I can understand why the horrible outcome would get you upset, but he was far from the only one to make that mistake.

Did they ever take responsibility? Did anyone ever resign? Did anyone ever apologize (not that will bring much comfort to the 1000s of dead, crippled and displaced)?

Open your eyes.

I feel about MY the way I feel about the two-state solution. It would be wonderful if it could work. I hope you prove me wrong.

Go review an entire 62 years of the history of religious coalition partnerships and see where that got to in the long run. Nowhere.

If you want to unite, you need masses of people and common values and goals which unite them. You will never find that in a religious party by definition.

Good luck with the same old way of thinking.

]]> By: juvanyahttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44726 juvanya Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:11:07 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44726 I wouldnt quite say those are my beliefs, just my interpretation of other beliefs. I wouldnt quite say those are my beliefs, just my interpretation of other beliefs.

]]> By: Michael Zvi krumbeinhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44721 Michael Zvi krumbein Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:17:08 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44721 Um, no it doesn't. Only the Mashiach can (don't accuse them of heresy), and there is plenty just in scripture alone to indicate the presence of Gentiles. No reason to "clear" the land; there will be plenty of room for all of us. "The pious of the nations of the world have a share in the World to Come" - what do you think that means - although that is post-messianic. At any rate, don't project your beliefs on others. There are no official positions on the details. "And these things, we will not know how they will be until they are" - Maimonides. Um, no it doesn't. Only the Mashiach can (don't accuse them of heresy), and there is plenty just in scripture alone to indicate the presence of Gentiles. No reason to "clear" the land; there will be plenty of room for all of us. "The pious of the nations of the world have a share in the World to Come" – what do you think that means – although that is post-messianic.

At any rate, don't project your beliefs on others. There are no official positions on the details. "And these things, we will not know how they will be until they are" – Maimonides.

]]> By: Michael Zvi krumbeinhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44719 Michael Zvi krumbein Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:06:08 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44719 What worries me is her admiration for former Justice Barak, he of the mono-ideological, self-perpetuating, Supreme Court (since cleaned up a little). What worries me is her admiration for former Justice Barak, he of the mono-ideological, self-perpetuating, Supreme Court (since cleaned up a little).

]]> By: Michael Zvi krumbeinhttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44718 Michael Zvi krumbein Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:03:06 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44718 Here's a simple test. Whom do they label? Who gets called "controversial"? Who gets called "extreme"? How often are people labeled as "conservative" versus "liberal"? And of course, how long do each sides scandals get play? (Of course, you actually need to know the scandal exists.) P.S. The NYT got called on this so many times, they actually are labeling less. As a practical matter, the entire MSM defines news as what the NYT covers. Here's a simple test. Whom do they label? Who gets called "controversial"? Who gets called "extreme"? How often are people labeled as "conservative" versus "liberal"? And of course, how long do each sides scandals get play? (Of course, you actually need to know the scandal exists.)

P.S. The NYT got called on this so many times, they actually are labeling less. As a practical matter, the entire MSM defines news as what the NYT covers.

]]> By: juvanyahttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44707 juvanya Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:42:23 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44707 There are no quotes because they hide that, but its clear that they say only God (or the Mashiakh) can create Israel...which implies that the land will be cleared for the Jews. messianic techno-thrillers? o_O Im actually thinking of writing some Tom Clancy-style books related to that and Israel geopolitically. There are no quotes because they hide that, but its clear that they say only God (or the Mashiakh) can create Israel…which implies that the land will be cleared for the Jews.

messianic techno-thrillers? o_O
Im actually thinking of writing some Tom Clancy-style books related to that and Israel geopolitically.

]]> By: juvanyahttp://www.israellycool.com/2010/08/29/the-day-in-israel-sunday-aug-29th-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-44705 juvanya Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:40:04 +0000 http://www.israellycool.com/?p=22268#comment-44705 Yeah I know who. I dont support it. And this guy on the local radio who is either left or centre made a good argument about how it will screw everyone. He would have to take the phone calls from fringe lunatics "for fairness". I feel like newspapers are still balanced or try to be so. Even the NYT. They might have the overall essence of a liberal paper, but theyll always bring in a conservative view. Same with the school paper here. Its reputed as a liberal rag, but still will accept any number of opposition letters (I personally wish they published more letters, which is what I like about the NY Daily News). Yeah I know who. I dont support it. And this guy on the local radio who is either left or centre made a good argument about how it will screw everyone. He would have to take the phone calls from fringe lunatics "for fairness".

I feel like newspapers are still balanced or try to be so. Even the NYT. They might have the overall essence of a liberal paper, but theyll always bring in a conservative view. Same with the school paper here. Its reputed as a liberal rag, but still will accept any number of opposition letters (I personally wish they published more letters, which is what I like about the NY Daily News).

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