Comments on: The Day In Israel: Sun Sept 5th, 2010

By: Michael Zvi Krumbein

Michael Zvi Krumbein — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:56:58 +0000

Ah, but you see we are just trying to work out what people believe. For that, it's enough.

By: juvanya

juvanya — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 00:14:20 +0000

Oh I meant original original. :p

By: Michael Zvi Krumbein

Michael Zvi Krumbein — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:28:30 +0000

Exactly how common are so-called modesty patrols? The only ones that I know of are done on rare occasions by troublemakers. Or do you mean that the people who do it are not real Chareidim, or are you painting all of us Chareidim with a broad brush?

Please note that for murder it was not that hard to put someone to death, informally. See Sanhedrin. And certainly the religious law was enforced. (Or do you want us to nothing about neo-Agunot?)

As a simple example, Shimon ben Shetach, the cause of one of the few bright spots in the whole horrid second half of the second temple, was a witch-hunter; it cost him the life of his son. I can even give you an example of an incident that might be called a "modesty patrol".

If course, it would be a mistake to try to enforce religious law (in general) when most people are against it; that would be counter-productive.

By: Michael Zvi Krumbein

Michael Zvi Krumbein — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:16:23 +0000

Well, that's not always so hard. For example, on Judaism, you have Maimonides writings, and some are actually in his own hardwriting, including his own corrections. And, of course, the Shulchan Aruch was printed pretty early.

By: The Day In Israel: Mon Sept 6th, 2010 : Israellycool

The Day In Israel: Mon Sept 6th, 2010 : Israellycool — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:43:07 +0000

[...] argument from me there.5:48AM: Here is the IDF-released footage (which I blogged about yesterday) showing people removing long-range rockets from a home in southern Lebanon and transferring them [...]

By: walt kovacs

walt kovacs — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 00:16:39 +0000

one must note the difference between someone who desecrates the shabbat publicly and privately…there is a difference halachically in standing

and it is only a capital crime if one has been warned and the act is viewed by two witnesses

in beis din, it was almost impossible to put anyone to death

it is what disgusts me about the the modesty patrols and other acts committed by socalled chareidim

By: juvanya

juvanya — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:28:14 +0000

I vote for dress-up.

By: juvanya

juvanya — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:27:08 +0000

Ive been trying to figure out which copy of the original source is the best.

By: juvanya

juvanya — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:25:51 +0000

perhaps different interpretations? Sadducees didnt accept resurrection.

By: Michael Zvi krumbein

Michael Zvi krumbein — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:16:22 +0000

Well, it's not entirely wrong. According to the more common view, Heaven IS a sort of limbo. But then the main reward, the World To Come, is a sort of semi-material, semi-spiritual, Heaven-on-Earth. However, I can't say I know much about that opinion or am describing it correctly.

Aside from the basic concepts, and the main point that there is a reward and punishment beyond this world – a just and loving God requires this – I don't think there is any required postion on the details, nor would we understand it if there were. Theology is really a Christian discipline.