The Day In Israel: Sun Oct 24th, 2010
Former US President/current Elder of Moron Jimmy Carter has defended Russian Jewish immigrants to Israel against Bill Clinton!
Former US President Bill Clinton sparked outrage last month when he said Russian immigrants in Israel pose an obstacle to peace. Jimmy Carter, the last Democrtic president before Clinton, is currently visiting Israel and has slammed him before an audience of Russian natives.
“I just heard today what President Clinton said and it was a mistake,” Carter said. The former president was a guest of a joint UN-Interpeace program aimed at exposing Russian speakers in Israel to the peace process.
“We’re both democrats, we’re both in the same party. He should not have said it and he was mistaken,” Carter stated.
The former president noted, “I’ve known the Russian Jews in Israel for almost 40 years. I knew the first group that came here and I met with them and I know that as much as anyone in Israel, perhaps more on an average, the Russian Jews that live here want to see peace. They want to see Israel recognized as all nations on earth, as a nation to live without threat,” he said.
“So he made a mistake. I’m sure if he had a chance to meet with you he would say he misspoke. “
I think Carter’s just jealous that Clinton got to act on the lust in his heart.
Updates (Israel time; most recent at top)
5:15PM: Meet Israel’s new goodwill ambassador: former basketball star Tal Brody.
4:55PM: Ma’an news reports that Israeli television has shown footage of an Israeli nuclear reactor.
Rare footage of an Israeli nuclear reactor in the Galilee was aired by Israeli TV on Saturday evening, marking the first time Israel’s nuclear facilities have been openly broadcast to the public.
Channel 2′s Roni Daniel said there were many details about the reactor’s performance which he was not allowed to report on, and said the reactor was used for both civilian and military purposes.
“This reactor’s role is to monitor nuclear experiments and activities taking place underground in the world,” said a female expert working at the reactor. Staff, she said, would be alerted to preparations for nuclear experiments in North Korea, for example.
The nuclear reactor’s director told the reporter that the number of Israelis studying nuclear engineering had declined following the closure of the nuclear engineering department at Haifa’s Institute of Technology.
In August, former Israeli nuclear engineer and whistle blower Mordechai Vanunu completed a three-month sentence for breaking the terms of his release.
In the 1980s, Vanunu revealed details of Israel’s nuclear weapon program to the British press, and was later kidnapped in Italy by a Mossad agent and tried in Israel.
Here’s the report to which they are referring.
David sums it up well:
A totally BS Palestinian “news” story: they got the Galilee mixed up with the Judean Hills area (Nahal Soreq), “secret” for a well-known research facility, breathless, “never-before-seen” footage with a pic from Iran’s Busheir reactor – oh, and confused Iran with N. Korea. Other than tha…t, heart-stoppingly good journalism, really.
4:35PM: A new world record for Gaza:
Palestinian officials in Gaza announced that more than 2,000 Palestinian racers succeeded on Saturday to break the Guinness world record for “Most people running hundred meters in a 12-hour relay continuously” inside Gaza city’s main stadium.
The Gaza-based al-Jazeera Sports Club in coordination with the British IF UK Charity Foundation organized the marathon rally in Gaza City’s al-Yarmook Stadium, where 2,395 racers from all-over the Gaza Strip participated and managed to break the world record.
Even more impressive for a “concentration camp.”
11:55AM: A palestinian flag has been placed on a Safed mosque..either by “unknown elements” or by someone with an “academic veneer.”
Don’t ask. I am also confused.
Unknown elements posted the Palestinian flag on a renovated mosque near a market in Safed on Saturday night.
“I noticed the flag that was hanging on the top of the minaret,” a local resident told Ynet. “It made me angry but also somewhat satisfied that the true face of the perpetrator with the academic veneer was exposed.”
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I found the news video clip of Carter and Clinton:
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Really? I thought that was a clip of you and Jim.
No. This is:
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Hah!
I see I've been replaced. That's all right. I have to stop this stuff, anyway.
I can still vividly remember the day we were going to get our first color television set in our home. That was 1962 and back then most of the programs were still in black and white. Certain prime time programs were broadcast in color with special notice made in the TV Guide. The first program I saw in color was "The Virginian." While far from my favorite program, I sat there spellbound at what Space Age technology had brought into our home. God do I feel old.
Im only 20, but feel old knowing that kids younger than me are being sent to die in other countries.
Voluntarily.
I felt the other way around. When Viet Nam fell after we betrayed them, I was not old enough to have been drafted (although the draft had long since ended) and having grown up expecting to be in the war, I felt vaguely guilty for not having done something to stop it (except for campaining for Democrats for Nixon in 72).
The issue is more complex than "voluntarily".
Now there are just wars, but the current two are not among them anymore. The problem is that were caught in a catch 22 of sorts. After withdrawal, we are susceptible to attacks for 10-25 years as revenge. Perpetuating the cycle. But on the other hand, we cant afford to stay there forever…
We betrayed them in 1955, not 1975.
Well, since we disagree on the entire history of the period, there wouldn't be any point to arguing.
However, I do not see how a war can stop being just. (Not that I accept the entire concept of just and unjust wars, which is a concept in Christian theology.) There were Japanese still fighting us down to the '60s. And the boys actually on the front lines, seem to be for the war, and feel that the opposition to the war is a betrayal.
Ho Chi Minh was essentially the George Washington of Vietnam. He didnt start off as any "communist". We couldve let Vietnam become independent of France and that was that. But no, we had to contain the "communist spectre", which was a bunch overhyped crap.
I supported the Afghan war until it went off course.
Do you think Operation Ajax was just too?
I didn't see any point to discussing that with you because of your extreme revisionist view of Communist history; we would have no common ground for discussion. But this appears to be a pattern with Communists; they join with moderate people for cover, then get rid of them (not to mention a lot of their own people) when convenient, e.g. the Sandanistas.
I'm not familiar with the term. you'll have to tell me what you are referring to.
Actually, Im no longer a Stalinist or even a socialist. (This is a recent change, so you wouldnt have noticed) I just understand that there was much propaganda on our side (as much as on the other side, maybe even more) and that things were not even remotely what they seemed.
Do I still justify or revise what was done there? To some degree, yes. I think that people have exaggerated the Soviet Unions negatives. And that is perfectly rational: we needed to demonize our enemy as much as possible and also justify our opposition in retrospect.
In any case, Vietnam was a complete waste of a war. Some people cling to it and think we should have finished, but guess who is one of our good trading partners, a growing counterbalance to China, and is adopting market reforms? This could have happened sooner if we didnt oppose HCM in the 1950s.
We have this nasty habit of bailing out/supporting France even though the ultimate result screws everything up. Perhaps because we feel we owe them the world after 1778.
The first time was in Haiti. The second was in WW1. The third in Vietnam. If we had told them to piss off in each case, the world would be a much better place.
Back to World War 1, we can see a very good example of just and unjust wars. There was absolutely no reason to get into WW1. It was nearing the end and there was no ongoing genocide or anything. Germany would have either defeated France or forced an even-handed armistice. Because of our involvement, France got giddy and wanted to beat up on the battered Germany. That led to good ole AH, as you know, rising to power.
World War 2 was a just war…or was it? To some degree it was more just, but when you think about how we didnt liberate the camps until late 44, early 45 (or was it only 45?), why did we fight? They wouldnt even bomb the camps or the railroads. We could have easily drove up the costs of the Holocaust for the Nazis by bombing only the railroads and camps. They would have had to give up eventually on wiping out the Jews and may have even lost the fuel that drove the German people to support the war, ending it sooner. I want to consider it just, but we (the Allies or the US) didnt do anything to help stop the genocide until the end. Its kind of like what happened in the Warsaw uprising and is a very cynical view of the Allies, but I think it might be true.
Just think about this. Dont be resistant. I actually just thought about this now and it gives me a new perspective on WW2. I used to think it was a just war, but now I really have to re-evaluate that. Why did we need to defeat the axis? (thats somewhat rhetorical)
Im sympathetic to going to war to stop a genocide, but thats not what we did. In fact, we have never done that. We took out Saddam after he had already killed 182,000 Kurds (I love pointing this out to antiZionists). Rwanda, Congo, Darfur…
I have no idea where Im going with this anymore…
The U.S. did not go to war to save the Jews. It was just because the other side attacked us. Yes, we were already involved, but Japan didn't have to try to take over the Pacific. (Again, I don't have a concept of "just war". The subject is not heavily explored in Judaism because it hasn't been practical for a long time. It may be that today no war is just per se (I mean for Jews) but the rules of self-defense still apply.)
From a Western point of view, I prefer the old British idea – nothing is immoral if the other guy does it first. They hang prisioners, you hang prisioners. They kill civilians, you kill civilians. But I'm not sure Judaism accepts this.
My grandfather fought in WWI for the U.S. (stretcher bearer), but my Dad isn't sure we were on the right side. I think Germany would have won otherwise, and no Hitler.
I tihnk it is impossible for our side to have more propaganda, because the Communists were so much better at it than us. Same as to espionage. Have you spoken to someone living there before Gorbachov? The early Soviets did amazing things like destroy simple trade (keep people from bringing goods to market.)
Well they attacked us because we disrupted their trade needs.
Japan didnt have to take over the Pacific? We didnt have to take over the Hemisphere, specifically Cuba and Haiti. :p
I dont like that British model. It gets into a dirty territory…
Well neither us nor they can really determine that. You have to admit that you have a lens tinted Red White and Blue. Its just a part of growing up in this country
Um, no. My supposedly ultra-pro-American history book had a section called "American Imperialism". My well-meaning left-wing teacher, whom the class loved, unintentionally told us lies about the United States.
I grew up during, and in opposition to, the sixties. You might say I was a very early neo-conservative.
If my glasses have a tint, it's Jewish. You can thank the Black Power movement for giving us (me and my contemporaries) the idea.
I am glad you changed a bit. From reading you here and on your user page at Wikipeida, I was getting a solid idea that you supported the intentional religious destruction of Soviet Jewry. I was thinking of you as "my anti-semitic friend", meanign both parts sincerely.
BTW, PJTV has an interview with the Republican/Tea party candidate in my old district and the area you are in now. I wouldn't expect you to agree with her on anything at all (except maybe Card Check), but she has a great NY/NJ accent and speech pattern.
Anna Little?
Think so. Mayor of Red Bank. As I wrote there, the one time I remember Highland Park electing a Republican was as a protest against the mayor having a development plan, and heaven forbid we would have a tax base.
You may have done this before, but it's an interesting experience to sit in on a Borough Hall meeting. Basically, the State mandates everything, and the locals use what leeway they have to keep any businesses from opening, lest parking be affected. At least that's how it was in the one meeting I attended.
Operation Ajax was when we overthrew the democratically-elected leader of Iran because the British claimed he was a Communist. We then installed the "friendly" Shah and the rest you should know.
I can't comment on something I am that unfamiliar with. Althoguh the Shah was extremely good for the Jews, both there and in Israel.
I will say one thing in general – there is an old concept:
One man, one vote, one time. THAT sort of government is not democratic.
Short run, yes. Long run, you can see. Would you rather a secular republic, the Shah, or this? Prime Minister Mossadeq was working on the secular republic.
"Secular republic" would need to fit in with the area, which is a lot less secular than, say, Europe. I don't have the facts to comment on that incident, or as to who was better. I would have no problem with an Islamic Republic if they treated minorities fairly and didn't spread terrorism. We aren't talking Saudi Arabia, you know.
The latter is structurally impossible.
Whew! We didn't get one until around 1980, just in time for MAry Poppins to be released to television.
Those early Color TV's were radiation hazards. May explain things.
In the '50's and '60's radiation was your friend. I remember shoe stores that used x-ray machines operated by shoe clerks to measure your feet. And those early color tv's did create a force field of static electricity. If you were wearing a cotton t-shirt and got too close, your shirt would actually cling to the screen. That couldn't have been good for you.
My Dad does say that based on what he's read in the scientific literature (or at least Chemical and Engineering News – I used to love their joke page), that what we've found out since hiroshima is that the long-term effects are less</> harmful than thought.
But I recall that the TV's were supposed to broadcast radiation on the side, even through walls.
At the end, it's all in the dose, like anything else. My folks lived in Harrisburg during the accident (you can imagine the ribbing I got, although I was away at the time), and the issue was that if there had been a breach, the iodine could get into the milk, and from there into the body, causing constant irritation, which I suppose could trigger cancer.
I think this post of yours has been irradiated. The first half is with the default font and then the second half is all italicized. It's kind of freaking me out, really. Tell me there is some logical explanation for this.
It looks cool
Also, I've found that this comments system allows some HTML tags like this or this and I forgot to close the tag. Actually, it handled it pretty well, considering – the first posiive thing I've noticed about it.
BTW, in one of the OZ books, Ozma has a magic mirror made of Radium. Couldn't have been too good for her health!
Two losers. They should apologize to the world for inflicting themselves on innocent people.
Just clarify: you were referring to Clinton and Carter, not Shy Guy and Jim.
Right?
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Ummm, ok, I'll go with the c-name boys. (Yes, I meant them)
I prefer to think of Shy Guy and myself as the two political opposites who appeared at the end of "60 Minutes" in the "Point/Counterpoint" segment that ran during that program's hay day in the early '70's. I'll let IsraellyCool readers decide who is James J. Kilpatrick and who is Shana Alexander. Both had strong views on the issues of the day and both had personalities that could be described as "outsized." Who wants to be in the mushy middle, anyway?
Candygram!
Candy my left foot. It's clinton and carter, I tell you!! Sharks? Yeah.
Carter is consistent, and he isn't the only one. For all that Zbignew B. (Carter's NSA) verged on anti-semitism, he did speak up for the persecuted Jews behind the Iron Curtain. There was another famous anti-Israel guy (I think Proxmire or Fullbright) who was also very good on this issue. For that matter, George Schultz, whom everyone was scared of because he was in Bechtel (did Saudi construction)like Weinberger, was know to hire Soviet Jews. Or course, Schultz turned out to be extremely pro-Israel.
My uncle (Nuclear Physicist) worked for decades at Nachal Soreq. It's a small Nuclear reactor for things like Nuclear Medicine research. There's nothing at all secret about it, which is why no-one knows about it.
In the old store-and-forward Usenet, there was a computer called Seismo which would be used (voluntarily) to kind of run things. It was at a facility that sat in the middle of the U.S., and would listen for tremors, which would indicate Soviet / Chinese Nuclear tests. Can't imagine why you would want a reactor to do that.
Which would justify Japanese actions on Pearl Harbor.
Im not supporting the Pearl Harbor attack, but we provoked them by restricting and disrupting trade.
I already treated that above.