I’m A Far Right Israel Loving, Gay Flag Waving Nazi

A Post by Brian of London

Sunday 24th October saw a rather remarkable event occur in London. Between two and three hundred, predominantly non-Jewish, people gathered in London, marched to the Israeli Embassy and, in a surprising twist, shouted their support for the continued existence of Israel as a Jewish state in the heart of the Middle East.

The march and rally outside the Embassy was organised by the English Defence League (EDL) and included an address by Rabbi Shifren, the “surfing Rabbi” from California. He was invited by the EDL’s Jewish Division with the full backing of the main EDL leadership.

I’m going to come right out and say it: I support the EDL. I started looking at the EDL forums and talking to people who I knew back in the UK who were sympathetic to the EDL a few months ago. I now post extensively on their forums and have talked with many, many members. This support of the aims of the EDL puts me at odds with, at last count:

  • the British Board of Deputies (supposedly the official voice of British Jewry);
  • the Community Security Trust (CST) who defend synagogues and other Jewish events from attack;
  • Searchlight Magazine;
  • The Jewish Chronicle, the “paper of record” for British Jews;
  • Harry’s Place;
  • CIF Watch;
  • Many other pro-Israel, left wing blogs I don’t know about;
  • The Guardian;
  • The Independent;
  • The BBC;
  • Sky;
  • Basically all the media;
  • The British Police;
  • The British Government;
  • And many, many more!

So what do all these people and groups think of the EDL? Jennifer Lipman of the Jewish Chronicle had this to say after attending yesterday’s demo:

Make no mistake. These people are not moderates, they are extremists. One I spoke to denied being from a violent organisation, but admitted to me that he would be willing to fight “if that’s what it takes”. Looking at the EDL yesterday, I have no doubt.

And of course, every report about the EDL is not fit to print unless they’re described as:

Jewish Chronicle: far right organisation the English Defence League (EDL)

JPost: Rabbi Nachum Shifren attends far-right group’s London protest outside Israeli Embassy

What is Far Right?

I could go on… you get the picture. Actually no you don’t. Most of the case against the EDL rests on nothing more than the fact that some of the leaders and founders of the EDL were once in the BNP and that anyone can take a flag, write EDL on it and stand in front of it doing a Nazi salute. That’s the depth of the research considered appropriate to bandy about terms like “Far Right”. I’m sorry all of you astute journals, you’ll have to do better. How about going out and meeting these people? They are not proscribed terrorists so you can do that, they won’t hurt you.

But what the hell does far right mean? The EDL were flying many gay flags at their rally yesterday, is that far right? The motto is Black and White Unite, is that far right? There are prominent Hindu, Jewish and Sikh members, is that far right? What a pile of crap: it’s not a right left issue.

What is the EDL?

The EDL is a single issue campaign and pressure group. The single issue is combatting the growing influence of Islam on the lives of NON Muslims on the streets of England. That’s it. Members are from all political persuasions, right, left, pink whatever. It really doesn’t matter if you’re a believer in state control or laissez faire economics: do you think it’s right for the local swimming pool be closed to all except Muslim men at certain times of the day?

The stories that pop up on the EDL’s forums every day are shocking (and I’m not talking about there speeling :-) ). They’re from people who’ve lived in areas all their lives but now feel like foreigners in their own towns. These are not elites, they’re hard working people trying to get by and watching the social fabric of their towns disintegrate.

They get on the net, and discover that Islam is not the cuddly, friendly, “religion of peace” the media try to convince them. That chimes with what they see outside their door, it turns a light on in their brains and they start to understand why bearded men wave signs calling returning troops “Baby Killers” on the streets of England and go unchallenged by the Police. “Behead those who insult Islam” – nice.

They start to see how the “special ones” are given completely different treatment by the police, lest someone get “offended”. When the EDL ask to march they’re nearly always denied. When Muslims execute a march through London proclaiming their allegiance to Hamas and Hezbollah it goes ahead. “Bomb, Bomb Israel” is fine, “Who the Fuck is Allah?” is a problem. Why the different treatment?

If the EDL has real Nazis in its ranks they will be ejected. If people infiltrate and give Nazi salutes (as one member of Unite Against Fascism has already been in court and convicted for) they will be found and rooted out. And, though I have no personal knowledge, I wouldn’t want to be those people after they’re found by some of the rougher elements of the EDL.

Who Are The Real Fascists?

At the rally on Sunday members of UAF tried to pour water on the PA system: the first rule of fascism is to stop your opponents from being heard. Who are the real fascists? Not once have the media covered the content of EDL speeches in full. The reason? They’re not racist or Nazi: they just tell the truth about Islam. Go read the speech in support of Israel given by Kev Carroll outside the Israeli embassy and come back and tell me what’s racist or wrong (hint, followers of Islam are black, brown, white, pink, red, green and all manner of hue).

The Two Problems for Jews

But here are the twin problems for Jews. The old idea of keeping your head down, not making any waves won’t work for ever. Political Islam was founded by Mohammed with an act of aggresive immigration that had the deliberate aim of conquering a city. This act, known as the Hijra, is not just central to the story of Islam, it’s the point from which Islam numbers its whole date system! Year 0 for Christianity: a birth. Year 0 for Islam: political take over by force of numbers. The story didn’t end well for the Jews in Medina, just ask any that live there now. Oh, wait, you can’t, they’re all dead! This is happening TODAY all over Europe.

The second part of the problem is the entrenched and immutable root core of Jew hatred in the Koran and within whole edifice of Islam. I’m not going to provide evidence here, it’s so easy to find and getting harder to hide by the day. Go pick up Andy Bostom’s book on the subject, but you better do weights first, it’s a very heavy book. And if I have to hear one more mindless fool trot out rubbish about a golden age of Jews living under Islam I’ll scream “GO READ WHAT THE RAMBAM REALLY SAID ABOUT ISLAM” or read Bat Ye’or’s histories of dhimmi peoples.

So what should Jews in the UK do. Trust the CST and their Nazi hunting buddies to protect them? How well is that working out for the once thriving communities in the East End of London?

Class Warfare and Snobbery

At the root of the amazing hatred of the EDL is plain, simple class warfare and snobbery. The EDL don’t look like the kind of people you could share a £5 latte with. If you invited them round to dinner they might not know which fork to use first. God forbid you’d talk to a few and discover that they have gay children who they love, or black and mixed race nieces and nephews through mixed marriages that they have no problem with. But what you can’t stand is that they’ve read the Koran, or at least Robert Spencer’s excellent books on it. Maybe their kids have been abused at school and called Kaffir in their Muslim majority schools. No, you don’t want to hear this, you want to hunker down in Golders Green and hope it blows over without any help from you.

Well the government is not listening to polite talk or blog posts. But when the EDL threaten to turn up on the doorstep of any council in England that doesn’t call Christmas, Christmas what the hell is wrong with that. Yes: England is a Christian country. Jews can live with that, we never asked anyone to change. It’s only one special brand of political immigrants who don’t want to change, and want all to bow down before them.

The EDL are not the problem.

The EDL supports Israel for a reason that not even most of Israel properly acknowledges yet. Israel’s fight is not about land or occupation or anything else but the continued and perpetual drive for Islam to rule the world. And for Islam to have once held Israel and then lost it to the most vile creatures on God’s earth is the bitterest pill that Islam will never swallow.

I’m sorry British Jews, if the EDL fail in the UK, you better have bought your bolt hole in Israel already because property is getting damned expensive here and the Russians and French have all the nice spots on the beach.

About Brian of London

Brian of London is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Since making aliyah in 2009, Brian has blogged at Israellycool. Brian's interests include electric cars, world peace and an end to world hunger. Besides blogging here, Brian of London now writes at the Times of Israel. Brian of London also hosted Shire Network News

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  • david

    the jewish people ignored the problem in the last century and look what happend, they need to wake up to what is 56 islamonazi states that want them out of way and out of the bible

  • http://juniperintherdesert.blogspot.com juniper

    Superb article, Brian!! Jews must stand up and be proud of being Jewish and be prepared to fight for the countries they live in, which ARE predominantly Christian. Jesus was a Jew, he promoted peace, we are all Judaeo-Christians.

    I love England,England is my home, I grew up here. I am not going anywhere!! No surrender, EVER!!!!

  • Jim from Iowa

    I enjoy reading Brian's posts from London. It gives me another perspective that is neither American or Israeli on issues that interest me. I know next to nothing about the EDL, but it would make me have second thoughts if my support for such a group placed me at odds with a long and growing list of organizations, only some of which are political in nature. As a gay man I was sympathetic to the objectives of ACT UP during the time of the hostile Reagan administration. But I was opposed to ACT UP when they trespassed at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, MD causing property damage and interrupted services at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC. So maybe the actions of some EDL members are deserving of criticism by others and maybe Brian should temper his support of the EDL with criticism when it is appropriate.

    • BrianOfLondon

      If I find something bad to say I'll say it. I'm in Israel, by the way, but I'm in close touch with the UK still.

      As an aside I was on Skype last night with an older gay man who was at the London demo with the EDL talking about his views on the organisation and he was right in the thick of things. He's a former leftie who openly admits that up to a couple of years ago he thought Israel was an illegitimate state and believed all the Religion of Peace nonsense. He's completely changed his views in a couple of years and say that the EDL fits his views perfectly.

      If you want to see something interesting about gays and the EDL, have a look at the following post on their forums:
      http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3886

  • Mr LionSingh

    Its not only the Jewist state that they attack..Look at the problems in Kashmir. An honest appraisal. ..wise words unless isreal wants to live under Sharia (If Jews were allowed to live)…Amazing ..a so called Right wing organisation supported by a Jewish,Sikh,Lesbian & Gay,Hindi divisions…and supporting Isreals right of self-defence and very existance .

    Equality for all…by why should muslim fanatics get special treatment ? because they will bomb the UK if they dont ? They have been trying to destroy Sikhism for 400 years…can understand fully Isreals position to such hostility.

    Well said brian of London

    Mr Lionsingh of the UK (part Punjabi)

  • AQH

    Excellent article! Looking forward to see more..

  • Mr lionSingh

    The Isrealis have…we in the UK are sadly lacking behind

  • Pat Cairney

    The insidious nature of Fascist Islam has been ignored by the UK politic / media for too long. To such an extent that ordinary people have had to come together and publically question Islam and its relationship with Western values.

    Great article.

  • AZthefront

    God Bless the EDL***>>>Fight the good fight!! I speak for most Americans-Let the New Crusades begin…We(USA)stand with the EDL!!..the peaceful approach has failed–this is WAR! God save the UK***

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  • babs

    I am a Mother of 2 children and a proud member of the EDL. I loved that article, it is the first possitive thing that has been written about us and the most truthfull.My Father fought in WW2 and suffered for the rest of his life because of it so that Britain wouldn't become what it is becoming. I will do what I can in memory of him. NSE! Long live the EDL

    • Jim from Iowa

      Your post reminded me of an old song popular in England during WWII: "Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Hitler, if you think old England's done?" I believe it was used as the title song to the BBC series "Dad's Army."

  • Vladimir

    Interesting article. I am especially amused by this creative spelling: "lassie faire economics" The author is clearly trying to deny the French origin of the term "laissez-faire" by making it sound Old English. That's English Defence in action! ;)

  • Vladimir

    Oh, I think there's more to it than that! I'm sure it was a Freudian slip. A true English lad, Brian of London was picturing a fair English lass (to use modern spelling) in his mind…

    • BrianOfLondon

      You guys are ruthless… I slipped out to the cinema last night and have been monstrously busy ever since.

      I just messed up on the spelling of one French word! :-) I'll fix it now and render all these comments permanently obscure!

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  • redxmaslight

    “you want to hunker down in Golders Green and hope it blows over without any help from you.”

    That’s the British way, or so I’ve noticed.

  • Samantha USA

    Excellent article. The more I read and see of the English Defence League, the more hope I have for the British to remain British. Your message is simple and clear and strong. There is absolutely no reason to put up with excessive immigration and with a lack of assimilation. And Muslims have made their intentions quite clear. Despite the groveling, shortsighted politicians and "journalists", the West will win this war. Go home, Mohammed; you're out of your league.

  • josh

    hi. my name is josh. i am active in the socialist wing of the jdl and am just reading more about what they stand for. geting more involved in terms of fighting the hitler communist islam menice that threatens any progressive democracy. all the best .with love of israel.

  • Mero Vingian

    I know I'm somewhat late in on this.. But you see that banner Cymru Defence League.. That's not the EDL..

  • Chayma100

    @aussieDave

    I just came across this screed by BrianinLondon, I could hardly believe my eyes! I can rebut all the misinformation in the report above if need be, but it appears to be a deliberate propoganda piece designed to demonise,

    What I want to know is this,

    If Brian is not in London, why is he speaking for London? What is his connection to the UK? and why all the misinformation above?

    Just a few of his gems:

    "And for Islam to have once held Israel and then lost it to the most vile creatures on God’s earth is the bitterest pill that Islam will never swallow."

    "I’m sorry British Jews, if the EDL fail in the UK, you better have bought your bolt hole in Israel already"

    "The second part of the problem is the entrenched and immutable root core of Jew hatred in the Koran and within whole edifice of Islam"

    I thought this was a news site? You or anybody here can say i'm biased towards Islam and that is true, but facts and truth are facts.

    A recent report at aish.com a Jewish learning site which can hardly be described as pro Islamic, refutes the last lie he wrote about Jew hatred in Europe, being from the Quran, you don't even have to be Muslim to realise these are just lies….

    • Chayma100

      continuing from my post above,

      The Full-Blown Return of Anti-Semitism in Europe
      After WWII, European anti-Semitism seemed to disappear. It's back, to a very disquieting degree.
      http://www.aish.com/jw/s/The_Full-Blown_Return_of

      Although it is not exactly the same anti-Semitism that in the 1930's, it is not fully different.

      It is an anti-Semitism that is widespread in the Muslim population that settled in Europe, , and it would be easy to think that it is strictly an Islamic phenomenon ,, but the, anti-Semitism as it exists today in the Muslim world was, heavily influenced by the old European anti-Semitism. And what the Muslim immigrants bring with them can easily find resonances in European non-Muslim populations. , Copies of fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Arabic are sold in Islamic bookstores from one end of the continent to the other, and they also circulate abundantly again in many European languages, under the mantle or via internet.

      More deeply, the non-Jews of Europe might feel that if they can paint the Jews as evil, then perhaps what their parents and grandparents did to them during World War II was not really so bad after all; you could even say they deserved what they got. As some Scandinavians put it, The Jews killed Christ; at least the Muslims did not do that.

    • http://www.israellycool.com/ israellycool

      This is a blog, not a news site. Brian of London is a contributor, and does not necessarily represent my own opinions. You are always welcome to debate on here and point out what you perceive to be misinformation.

      • Chayma100

        @AussieDave

        A blog usually has the opinions of the owner. If there are other writers and there is no disclaimer "The views do not represent Israellycool…" or something to that effect, then it's safe to assume it has the owners approval. I'm not saying you're a liar but that's how it looks to someone coming here after seeing your Wikipedia entry which states:

        " Of particular note is the site's reach and the respect it garners with bloggers who are not traditionally pro-Israel, including the Bahraini-based site, MidEastYouth which features a prominent link to Israellycool on its home page alongside links to Syrian, Iranian, Palestinian, Jordanian, Egyptian and Iraqi blogs. In addition, a number of MidEastYouth's organizers often visit and comment on the Israellycool site as do bloggers from various parts of the Arab world."

        After reading this one does not expect to find anti Muslim hysteria, on a website said to be popular with the Middle Eastern crowd. I've not checked those sites, but the I'm certain they wouldn't link to Israellycool if they knew there were contributors here whose Islamophobic propoganda of the type Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer manufacture is designed soley to demonise the Islamic faith and Muslims.

        "and point out what you perceive to be misinformation"

        It would take more than a few comments to address BrianinLondons propoganda, especially if I had to include responses to his post below. It would take an article. Would you publish it? Oh never mind, I'm sorry I brought the subject up. and anyway, thank you for not answering my questions :)

        • http://www.israellycool.com/ israellycool

          Chayma,

          Brian's post has my approval, but does not mean I subscribe to the same views. What I do agree is that this conversation is worth having.

          Just as I have allowed Brian's post, I have allowed you to express your views in the comments. I think that is a fair approach, and probably why the Wikipedia entry says what it does.

          (For the record, I did not write the Wikipedia entry. That was done by a Bahraini blogger).

          Sorry I do not have more time to answer all of your questions. I am finding it hard to even post on the blog!

    • BrianOfLondon

      Just curious what you mean by highlighting this: "And for Islam to have once held Israel and then lost it to the most vile creatures on God’s earth is the bitterest pill that Islam will never swallow"

      Are you saying that Islam never occupied Jerusalem and Israel? Are you saying that large parts of the Islamic and Arab world don't curse Jews 5 times a day?

      Are you disputing the abundance of Jew hatred within Islam and Arab culture, the greater part of which predates even the modern recreation of Israel?

      And this isn't a news site and we have no desire to be fair or balanced if that means accepting a false, evil "narrative" that writes Jews out of their ancestral home: the Land of Israel and our eternal capital, Jerusalem. And the sooner the occupation of any part of Israel by Islamic invaders is reversed, the better.

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