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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2011/07/03/english-dirty-laundry/comment-page-1/#comment-136168</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a strong supporter of EDL and this idea that we are nazis put about by Geller, Spencer and Moore are a complete nonsense, I support Israels right to exist and I supported a Jewish division, until Ms Moore came along and linked us to an extremist group and her friend Robert came onto our forum and told an EDL women that she should be raped by a muslim and lots of other disgusting comments that no decent person would ever think of saying. 
 
Ms Moore has now informed Jewish people in the UK that we are all nazis, so what chance now of a vibrant Jewish division. 
 
Even the guy who helped set up the Jewish division is now being called a nazi and is banned. How bad is that. 
 
Yes we EDLers are angry, too right we are, being branded nazis by our enemies but being branded nazis by our so call friends is an act of betrayal.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a strong supporter of EDL and this idea that we are nazis put about by Geller, Spencer and Moore are a complete nonsense, I support Israels right to exist and I supported a Jewish division, until Ms Moore came along and linked us to an extremist group and her friend Robert came onto our forum and told an EDL women that she should be raped by a muslim and lots of other disgusting comments that no decent person would ever think of saying. </p>
<p>Ms Moore has now informed Jewish people in the UK that we are all nazis, so what chance now of a vibrant Jewish division. </p>
<p>Even the guy who helped set up the Jewish division is now being called a nazi and is banned. How bad is that. </p>
<p>Yes we EDLers are angry, too right we are, being branded nazis by our enemies but being branded nazis by our so call friends is an act of betrayal.  </p>
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		<title>By: STV</title>
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		<dc:creator>STV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That isn&#039;t an &#039;authoratative study&#039;. That&#039;s a bloke making presumptions based upon half formed census data. Firstly, according to the census, I&#039;m a Jedi. 
 
 Secondly, it takes no account of immigration or emigration and thirdly there is no statement of practice or methodology or the period of time over which results indicate this conversion took place. 
 
The fact that they claim to have only collected information on apparent converts to Islam is highly suspicious, incredibly doubtable and an obvious sign of bias. Why not also information on converts from Islam or to Christianity? Why just whites? 
 
14,000 is a highly unlikely figure and it&#039;s telling that they can&#039;t be more exact than that.  
 
Either way, people do things for all manner of reasons, some people play guitar, some jump canyons in rocket cars, some people lock their daughters in their basements and have secret families and some people will convert to a religion like Islam.  
 
It means nothing, people aren&#039;t rushing out to convert and it doesn&#039;t make Islam compatible with British life, because it isn&#039;t. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That isn&#039;t an &#039;authoratative study&#039;. That&#039;s a bloke making presumptions based upon half formed census data. Firstly, according to the census, I&#039;m a Jedi. </p>
<p> Secondly, it takes no account of immigration or emigration and thirdly there is no statement of practice or methodology or the period of time over which results indicate this conversion took place. </p>
<p>The fact that they claim to have only collected information on apparent converts to Islam is highly suspicious, incredibly doubtable and an obvious sign of bias. Why not also information on converts from Islam or to Christianity? Why just whites? </p>
<p>14,000 is a highly unlikely figure and it&#039;s telling that they can&#039;t be more exact than that.  </p>
<p>Either way, people do things for all manner of reasons, some people play guitar, some jump canyons in rocket cars, some people lock their daughters in their basements and have secret families and some people will convert to a religion like Islam.  </p>
<p>It means nothing, people aren&#039;t rushing out to convert and it doesn&#039;t make Islam compatible with British life, because it isn&#039;t. </p>
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		<title>By: STV</title>
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		<dc:creator>STV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, propaganda. You can&#039;t seriously be using PRAVDA as a source for your news, that&#039;s ridiculous. The average wage for a working age male in the UK is over &#163;26,000 so they already got that wrong. 
 
The UK is not becoming a muslim country, that&#039;s stupid. People are not rushing out to convert, it simply isn&#039;t happening. I know because I live here. 
 
The conflicts in the Balkans all had their roots in cultural strife. That&#039;s an undeniable fact and was as clear to anyone who was sent there as part of the NATO force. The conflict in Northern Ireland is also heavily set in cultural conflict. The idea that a cultural/religious conflict can&#039;t become nationalist is rubbish, otherwise there wouldn&#039;t be any muslim countries. 
 
Islam absolutely has practices which can be considered cultural including core religious beliefs. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, propaganda. You can&#039;t seriously be using PRAVDA as a source for your news, that&#039;s ridiculous. The average wage for a working age male in the UK is over &pound;26,000 so they already got that wrong. </p>
<p>The UK is not becoming a muslim country, that&#039;s stupid. People are not rushing out to convert, it simply isn&#039;t happening. I know because I live here. </p>
<p>The conflicts in the Balkans all had their roots in cultural strife. That&#039;s an undeniable fact and was as clear to anyone who was sent there as part of the NATO force. The conflict in Northern Ireland is also heavily set in cultural conflict. The idea that a cultural/religious conflict can&#039;t become nationalist is rubbish, otherwise there wouldn&#039;t be any muslim countries. </p>
<p>Islam absolutely has practices which can be considered cultural including core religious beliefs. </p>
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		<title>By: Chayma100</title>
		<link>http://www.israellycool.com/2011/07/03/english-dirty-laundry/comment-page-1/#comment-136075</link>
		<dc:creator>Chayma100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone makes online bloopers, and look who is talking, as if you&#039;re not a serial liar,  
 
Feel free to show me where he lied in the 3 posts that I posted. Put up or shut up!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone makes online bloopers, and look who is talking, as if you&#039;re not a serial liar,  </p>
<p>Feel free to show me where he lied in the 3 posts that I posted. Put up or shut up!  </p>
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		<title>By: Chayma100</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chayma100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shy Guy, no, whomever fabricated that about the Prophet was flattering him/herself. Why do you slander when the the truth is more pretty!  
W. Montgomery Watt in &#039;Muhammad at Mecca,&#039; Oxford, 1953.  
&lt;i&gt;His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems that it solves. &lt;/i&gt; 
 
Arthur Glyn Leonard in &#039;Islam, Her Moral and Spiritual Values&#039;  
&lt;i&gt;It was the genius of Muhammad, the spirit that he breathed into the Arabs through the soul of Islam that exalted them. &lt;/i&gt; 
 
Edward Gibbon and Simon Oakley in &#039;History of the Saracen Empire,&#039; London, 1870 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;The greatest success of Mohammad&#039;s life was effected by sheer moral force&#8221; &lt;/i&gt; 
 
&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Wilders has consistently shown his true colors all these years: &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 
 
You&#8217;re avoiding answering! ;) 
 
I wasn&#8217;t asking about the past, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware of his funding from American far right groups. I was talking of the future when his own interests are threatened. I shall bookmark this link, and plan to return to it, when that time comes ! :) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shy Guy, no, whomever fabricated that about the Prophet was flattering him/herself. Why do you slander when the the truth is more pretty!<br />
W. Montgomery Watt in &#039;Muhammad at Mecca,&#039; Oxford, 1953.<br />
<i>His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement &#8211; all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems that it solves. </i> </p>
<p>Arthur Glyn Leonard in &#039;Islam, Her Moral and Spiritual Values&#039;<br />
<i>It was the genius of Muhammad, the spirit that he breathed into the Arabs through the soul of Islam that exalted them. </i> </p>
<p>Edward Gibbon and Simon Oakley in &#039;History of the Saracen Empire,&#039; London, 1870<br />
<i>&quot;The greatest success of Mohammad&#039;s life was effected by sheer moral force&rdquo; </i> </p>
<p><b><i>Wilders has consistently shown his true colors all these years: </i></b> </p>
<p>You&rsquo;re avoiding answering! <img src='http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I wasn&rsquo;t asking about the past, I&rsquo;m sure you&rsquo;re aware of his funding from American far right groups. I was talking of the future when his own interests are threatened. I shall bookmark this link, and plan to return to it, when that time comes ! <img src='http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Shy Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wilders has consistently shown his true colors all these years:  
 &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&#8220;The war against Israel is not a war against Israel.  It is a war against the West.  It is jihad.  Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us.  If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest.  Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.&#8221;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  
This would be unlike your barbarian prophet Mohamed, who when he couldn&#039;t convince more than 150 people to believe his nuttery, resorted to pillaging, murder and rape to achieve power. You know - the Islamic way! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilders has consistently shown his true colors all these years:  </p>
<blockquote><p><i>&ldquo;The war against Israel is not a war against Israel.  It is a war against the West.  It is jihad.  Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us.  If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest.  Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.&rdquo;</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>This would be unlike your barbarian prophet Mohamed, who when he couldn&#039;t convince more than 150 people to believe his nuttery, resorted to pillaging, murder and rape to achieve power. You know &#8211; the Islamic way! </p>
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		<title>By: JimfromIowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimfromIowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please expand.  This is counter-intuitive to me.  The Rapture crowd wants all Jews to either die or convert to Christianity.  Most Muslims want the Jews out of the Middle East.  But why would most Jews want to see a second holocaust? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please expand.  This is counter-intuitive to me.  The Rapture crowd wants all Jews to either die or convert to Christianity.  Most Muslims want the Jews out of the Middle East.  But why would most Jews want to see a second holocaust? </p>
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		<title>By: z303</title>
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		<dc:creator>z303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I have to choose, I&#039;ll take the EDL. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have to choose, I&#039;ll take the EDL. </p>
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		<title>By: z303</title>
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		<dc:creator>z303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 08:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but this IS what is happening in Europe with the Muslims. It is undoubtedly true that the depravity that Europe has descended into is leading many to Islam. 
 
The problem is what is mixed with - anti-semitism (specifically in Europe, not the U.S.) and belief in things that are not so (an issue in the U.S. also - massacre in Jenin, the Protocols, the Blood Libel). 
 
We Jews have seen this many times before, from the pagan &quot;comrades&quot; in Parthian Babylonia, to various forms of Christianity, Islam, and Atheism. Plus groups claiming (perhaps falsely) to represent Muslims, such as CAIR in the US, an offshoot of Hamas. 
 
An extremely egregious example is the young French Jew who was slowly tortured to death by an entire section of a French Muslim neighborhood. 
 
From your postings, you are part of the problem, not the solution. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but this IS what is happening in Europe with the Muslims. It is undoubtedly true that the depravity that Europe has descended into is leading many to Islam. </p>
<p>The problem is what is mixed with &#8211; anti-semitism (specifically in Europe, not the U.S.) and belief in things that are not so (an issue in the U.S. also &#8211; massacre in Jenin, the Protocols, the Blood Libel). </p>
<p>We Jews have seen this many times before, from the pagan &quot;comrades&quot; in Parthian Babylonia, to various forms of Christianity, Islam, and Atheism. Plus groups claiming (perhaps falsely) to represent Muslims, such as CAIR in the US, an offshoot of Hamas. </p>
<p>An extremely egregious example is the young French Jew who was slowly tortured to death by an entire section of a French Muslim neighborhood. </p>
<p>From your postings, you are part of the problem, not the solution. </p>
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		<title>By: Chayma100</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chayma100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 08:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ STV continued..  
 
&lt;i&gt;The oppression of women is of particular concern.&lt;/i&gt;  
You&#8217;re confusing cultural habits with religious ones. Women are not oppressed in Islam as is evidenced by the numbers of western women choosing Islam.  
 
The new face of Islam &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-360513-the-new-face-of-islam.do&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-360513...&lt;/a&gt;  
By Nick Compton  
Like Caroline, many of these converts are from solid middle-class backgrounds, have successful careers, enjoy active social lives and are fundamentally happy with their lot. 
 
 
&lt;i&gt;There is a place for Islam but it&#039;s in the Middle East&#8221;&lt;/i&gt; 
Try saying that to British and European converts to Islam, who outnumber the immigrants by the way. Islam is not a culture it&#8217;s a religion, with no borders and encompasses every race and country on the planet. The 56 OIC member states are scattered across the globe, Russia (40% Muslim) already is an honory member state.  
 
 
The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-islamification-of-britain-record-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/th...&lt;/a&gt; 
The number of Britons converting to Islam has doubled in 10 years. Why? Jerome Taylor and Sarah Morrison investigate 
 
 
 
Islamic Britain lures top people 
Nicholas Hellen and Christopher Morgan The Sunday Times - Britain February 22, 2004  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1010553,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1010...&lt;/a&gt; 
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.  
Some of Britain&#8217;s top landowners, celebrities and the offspring of senior Establishment figures have embraced the strict tenets of the Muslim faith.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ STV continued..  </p>
<p><i>The oppression of women is of particular concern.</i><br />
You&rsquo;re confusing cultural habits with religious ones. Women are not oppressed in Islam as is evidenced by the numbers of western women choosing Islam.  </p>
<p>The new face of Islam <a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-360513-the-new-face-of-islam.do" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-360513" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-360513</a>&#8230;<br />
By Nick Compton<br />
Like Caroline, many of these converts are from solid middle-class backgrounds, have successful careers, enjoy active social lives and are fundamentally happy with their lot. </p>
<p><i>There is a place for Islam but it&#039;s in the Middle East&rdquo;</i><br />
Try saying that to British and European converts to Islam, who outnumber the immigrants by the way. Islam is not a culture it&rsquo;s a religion, with no borders and encompasses every race and country on the planet. The 56 OIC member states are scattered across the globe, Russia (40% Muslim) already is an honory member state.  </p>
<p>The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith  <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-islamification-of-britain-record-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/th" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/th</a>&#8230;<br />
The number of Britons converting to Islam has doubled in 10 years. Why? Jerome Taylor and Sarah Morrison investigate </p>
<p>Islamic Britain lures top people<br />
Nicholas Hellen and Christopher Morgan The Sunday Times &#8211; Britain February 22, 2004  <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1010553,00.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0</a>,,2087-1010&#8230;<br />
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.<br />
Some of Britain&rsquo;s top landowners, celebrities and the offspring of senior Establishment figures have embraced the strict tenets of the Muslim faith.  </p>
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