Zionism As Defined By Malaysian Tweeter
The little girl killed by Hamas keeps bringing up twitter conversations.
I pointed out to one guy who posted the picture that she died for being a human shield, but turns out I’m an angle:
There by, the discussion took the usual irrational curve. He said Zionists are terrorists, I agreed, and pondered if everyone calls Hamas Zionists? He then said the report was false and Israel covered it up. I politely asked if he knew Ma’an was a Palestinian site?
A few rhetorical questions later, I used the big gun. I asked a simple question: “Do you even know what Zionism is?” He could have answered something in the likes of Jewish national movement, but instead, he summoned up every possible hype word he knows in English: Satanic plot, false belief, paradise, trap and Massive deception.
A small graphic if you will:
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Dan Smith has been exposing anti-Israel fallacies since the first time he opened the world wide web on Netscape Navigator, sometime in the late 90's. His lack of formal journalistic, political and sociological education means he is still capable of objective, unbiased views and opinions. A judge of media, pundits and media pundits.Filed Under: Judge Dan
The spirit of Henry Ford lives on!
hey mr dan smith, why dont u post the whole thing so that we, readers can be the judge of what really happened n not just read based on ur ‘unbiased view and opinion’?
My tweeter is public, I posted his account, enjoy. PS, I would suggest you do not open the picture he sent me, parading dead bodies is not something we biased people condone.
Why does anyone care what half retarded boy raping fascist lunatics half a world away think? Get back to making shirts and leave the grown up stuff to the grownups, thanks. And try not to riot and burn down your own town in protest.
this is the exact problem, you retaliate by posting THIS on your blog. This shows that you are trying to gain support by publicly condemning another person who has shared his views and has asked questions which seem legitimate. If you are a true Jew, you should realize that without Muslims, you would not have been able to sustain yourselves when the Medina treaty was agreed upon. Shalom.
Were you trying to be provocative or funny, because you’ve succeeded on both counts. Could you kindly point out the “legitimate questions”? There was the tweet of the misinformed, erroneous information, the correction from Dan, with supporting evidence, and the barrage of insults and abuse. Where did you see any legitimate, or even intelligible comments or questions?
As for the other, I think as “true Jews” we sustained ourselves fine well before Mohammed or Medina treaty. As for Israel’s current capacity to sustain themselves, I don’t think that’s in question. What is in question, is how well the rest of the world would sustain themselves without Israel’s contributions. You are probably relying on Israel’s contribution to post your comment.
lol nice wordle
If anyone is suffering from low blood pressure, this link will be of assistance:
http://mideastshuffle.com/2012/05/19/excuse-me-but-israel-has-no-right-to-exist/
Yep. This one’s a doozie. Interestingly, when I think about it, If G-d forbid, this deranged woman’s scenario ever came to pass, the ones who would suffer the most are poor Israeli Arabs. The Jews have survived much worse than these murder mongers. I particularly enjoyed the bit where she postulates that they should live in nice apartments with swimming pools. The fact is, the ones in charge do, the rest get their sewage pipes taken away for rockets to be made from them. If it wasn’t a bit terrifying, it would be raucously hilarious. These Arabs, who are Israeli citizens, with full citizen rights, seem to be unaware that they are being ethnically cleansed, or Israel must not be making much inroads in their busy ethnic cleansing. I just don’t see these brothers being welcomed into the fray. And, then, where would they go? (the ones left alive).
Why hello there Inessa. I’m glad that I have brought forward an image of provocation and to a certain extent comedy. AS you have stated so earlier. You see, what you haven’t viewed is the whole conversation. The tweets above are part of an entire debate which in my view seems lopsided with the fact that the person’s tweets are flawed in English terms. Dan does what people do best, trying to make people look like idiots when they have made a mistake. Well, please note that the mistake by the Malaysian is his English with angel being angle. I’m pretty sure Dan knew what he wanted to say but nevertheless, a sense of dominance in terms of English proficiency can be observed. Back to the point of Israel being able to sustain itself. Really now? So what has become of your powerful ally, the United States of America? ISRAEL WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED if it there was no help from the US. That is the beginning. With the exploitation of the Arab land, of course you can sustain yourself! You take what is not yours! Your comment has showed that arrogance is very much embedded within you. May peace be with you.
In the beginning, the United States did not give to or even sell Israel one bullet until the 1960′s. The land at issue is Jewish land stolen by Arab imperialists. The more Jew-hating bigots and liars like you try to shrink or wipe out the Jewish state, the more attractive its expansion looks.
Thank you Arief, at least for the wish of peace. In fact, I did read the whole conversation. Dan did the dignified thing by making fun of the English language error, instead of focussing on the other labels of “killer”, “liar” and “terrorist”. As for the powerful ally, US, they didn’t help in 48, (so yes, Israel would exist). In 1973, Israel didn’t strike pre-emptively, because the US said they wouldn’t help if they did. They waited to be attacked instead. Then, the US were prevented from helping anyway, when Europe did not allow US planes to land to refuel. The US gets much back from its relationship with Israel. What does it get in return from the Arab countries? What does it get in return for the millions funnelled to the “refugees”.
Dear Norman B, let me clarify something. I am not, and will never be antisemitic. I am a believer in one of the monotheistic faiths which include Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I believe that bigotry has no place in the world we live in today. You say that liars like me try to wipe out the Jewish state. I have never stated my intention on eradicating the fact that there is a Jewish state and it is Israel.
Inessa, the US definitely has benefited from their invasion of Arab land. Oil, power, dominance. I must admit, from what I have seen and heard, the true or real Jews shun Zionists. They believe that Zionists are giving the Jews a bad name. Can you please clarify what are the true goals of Zionism so that I would not dwell further into something that I do not believe in and contradict myself. I am here to learn as much as I would like to share my thoughts.
Dear Arief,
By supporting the cause of groups like Hamas, and even PA, who include all of Israel on their maps of a future Palestine, which is being taught in schools to children, you advocate for the destruction of Israel.
Putting cynisism aside, I will take your words at face value, and I thank you for the respectful and polite way in which you phrased them.
Zionism is not a religion, and it has several definitions, but none include “Satanic cult”. The simplest definition derives from the core – Zion is a part of Jerusalem, or synonymous with Jerusalem. Jews are a nation and a religion. They are a nation who came from the very same land of Israel. Jerusalem is mentioned in the Jewish Torah over 600 times. Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran itself. Several times a year in prayers, Jews in Europe, Middle East, Asia, Africa and of course Israel repeat the phrase “next year in Jerusalem”, at the festive table, in the synagogues, in one voice, in the same language. They have done, for some three thousand years, before Mohammed, and before Jesus. I wasn’t there, so I can’t state it as a fact, but Jesus would have said those very words at the Last Supper as it was the Passover Seder. So, put in context, Zionism is simply the recognition, and support of a national Jewish homeland, in this land centred around Zion, or Jerusalem. There is no notion of racism, ethnic cleansing, killing, or religious discrimination within the concept of Zionism. In fact, if you recognise the fact that Israel is a Jewish state, and has a right to exist, you would be considered a pro-Zionist by the very people you consider to be the victims. It follows then, that true Jews, by definition cannot shun Zionism, as to practice Judaism, the religion, is to pray to be in Jerusalem, and even those who don’t practice the religion recognise the heritage of their peoplehood. I apologise for my derision but your statement re “true Jews” is like saying “true French people who live in other countries shun France and all things French”. Sadly, after more than two thousand years in the diaspora, there are many self-hating and paradoxically antisemitic Jews. There is nothing that makes them “true Jews”. Incidentally, as much as Zionism, the desire for a Jewish homeland centres around Jerusalem, Israel did not have the linchpin of its religion and movement as part of her land from 1948. The result was that Jews did not have access at all to their holiest site. They never sought to claim it by violence, until they were attacked simultaneously on all borders by their Arab neighbours.
As for the benefits to US, I specifically said that the US benefits from its relationship with Israel. If you think that that is synonymous with invasion of Arab land, then please indicate where exactly you believe there is oil in Israel? Oh, and as for the land itself, it is one sixths of one percent of the land of the Middle East. One Jewish state. One sixths of one percent. It is not possible to fit the name on the map area on any world map. How much smaller do you want them to get? And by the way, the best way to learn about the facts on the ground, is to actually go check the place out.
I also recommend that you google “Kasim Hafeez” or “The Israel campaign”, for a unique Muslim’s perspective on Zionism. If you really do have an open mind, that is.
True Jews reject Israel and Zionism. True Jews do not oppress and wage tyranny. True Jews although they use the Torah which contained a corruption (“allowing” riba against non-Jews) will not put riba upon non-Jews because they know it will cause oppression. A true Jew is a person any Muslim or Christian would be proud to call brother.
A Zionist is very much the opposite.
I hope that if you read my reply, you will realise that your statement is false. In all these hysteria of claims of Israel is terrorist, apartheid, or racist, the biggest insult is to the one and a half million Israeli Arabs. They have full citizenship equal democratic rights. They are flourishing, and not leaving. They are represented in government and all walks of life. In the meantime, in Jordan, Palestenians are having citizenships revoked; we are now becoming sickeningly desensitised to the hundreds of thousands of Syrian citizens being killed. Every time people talk of Israel’s racism or apartheid, it is they, not Israel, who are ignoring these one and a half million people, treating them as though they are a non-entity, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
Forgive me for my response was given before reading yours.
For your information, I do not support Hamas or any other extremist group that uses the name of Islam for their own benefit. I believe that the true jihad comes from within a person and how he or she can control lust and keep temptation at bay. What made you think that I support Hamas by the way?
As for your facts about Zionism, I now understand your insight, your perspective on the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the land of Israel.
“My friend, I invite you to Jerusalem so you can see with your own eyes that it has become a flourishing city after it was in ruins under Arab rule until 1967. We rebuilt the city and opened it to Christians, Moslems and Jews equally, unlike under Muslim rule” that prohibited other religions…. The words of Dr. Mordechai Kedar in reply to Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu for Israel National News. Under Arab rule, Jerusalem was a thriving city, now, I would like to ask you, what can be seen? The destruction of the Al-Aqsa mosque by digging the ground where the foundation once stood firm shows disregard to the Muslim faith. Why does Israel have to do this? Why? I’m just a person who wonders why problems like this occur when Israel’s sustainability is seen as something to be proud of. Do you have the answer to this question? If you do, please, tell me.
I firmly believe that the three monotheistic faiths have to establish a bond between one another in this materialistic world today. It is no more the Christians against the Jews, the Jews against the Muslims and vice versa. In this time and day, it is about religion against the New World Order.
Jerusalem was not a thriving city under Arab rule. Jews were barred from worshiping at their holy sites during the entirety of Arab rule and the Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives was repeatedly desecrated and vandalized. As for Al Aqsa, that too is a lie. Attempts by archaeologists to recover Israel’s ancient Jewish heritage in no way threatened Al Aqsa, but the Waqf felt threatened by any revelations that its claim to spiritual supremacy and domination over Jerusalem is bogus. Al Aqsa is in greater danger from incoming missiles by Hamas and Hezbollah than from archaeology.
Also, why not come out and identify yourself as a Muslim? What have you got to hide? Establishing a bond between the three monotheistic faiths is a worthy goal. However, Jews will never accept dhimmi status ever again. Got that? You can start creating that bond by telling the truth. You might even find that a refreshingly novel experience.
Every time I post a comment, yours is already there, along the same vein, and more succinct and to the point. I am typing challenged, clearly. Apologies.
It is not my personal perspective, even Wikipaedia probably states something similar. It’s Israel’s detractors who attach all manner of sinister, appalling meanings to the word “Zionist”. Jerusalem IS a thriving city. It’s main threat is the terrorist groups who seek to destroy it at any cost. If Jerusalem to them, is like that toy that one toddler fights the other for, but discards it as soon as they win the fight. How else can you explain people like Ahlam Tamimi? Look up her chilling interview on YouTube. If they love Jerusalem, why rip it apart with bombs? Why smile that 8 instead of 3 children died? Once released, she has been given a weekly television show to preach hate and encourage others to follow in her footsteps. These are not even Hamas, who you call extremist, but who are the elected government of Gaza. Would the world calmly stand by Al Qaeda being an elected government? However, Tamimi is from the nice, moderate variety.
As to the Al Aqsa mosque. I can assure you that it is not destroyed, done shining as ever. It is not in danger of being destroyed, and never was. The entrance, which as I understand is restricted to Muslims is unchanged. Another set of lies not unlike that Jews drink blood of non Jews, or whatever rubbish seems to be made up and spread unchecked. The tunnels were opened because it is a very significant archeological site, and Israel gave absolute guarantees that the foundation of Al Aqsa would not be in any way compromised. The entrance to the tunnels is via the Western wall, nowhere near Al Aqsa. The sticking point is that the tunnels show the extension of the Western Wall, and then demonstrate quite clearly that other buildings were built on top, by Muslims, and the the foundation of Al Aqsa. It’s hard to explain, but if you saw it in person, you could never forget the experience of a city where you can see the sun setting over the Western Wall, hear Minaret’s call to prayer, and church bells, in one day. in the tunnels, you are right next to stones put down by people over two thousand years ago. There are ancient baths, whole medieval buildings, roads. It would be like you found out that another part of the colosseum, and ancient Rome was still there, buried. Now, while Israel carefully restored it centimetre by centimetre, the Palestenians’ riot (really declaration of open war) involved shooting, rockets, grenades right in the area of those very tunnels. Wouldn’t that threaten Al Aqsa more? I guess sentimentality takes a back seat to killing Israelis.
What is Riba? Is it like Jizya or Kharaj? If so, non Jewish Israelis don’t get taxed an extra tax. However, I believe the Egyptian Copts are now going to be required to pay a tax for being non Muslim. In Hebrew, riba means jam, just for your information.
Damn auto correct. That should have been dome shining
Or as Homer Simpson might spell it — doh!(me).
I once again would like to thank the both of you Norman B. and Inessa.
dear Norman B, I would like to ask you, does the excavation of the Al-Aqsa mosque have anything to do with the teachings of the Kaabalah? The usage of the sepiroth as a key indicator of fate by means of Jewish mysticism? I just need validity in your statements. Besides that, I really don’t need to say if I am Muslim or not. It doesn’t really matter. For God’s sake, I can tell you that I am a Chinese Buddhist but would you believe me? I am not hiding, I know who I am, where I stand. I have opinions and thoughts, just like you. What we see is the media inciting hatred among people, propagating the minds to see our differences rather than our similarities. We have eyes to see, ears to listen. If we are able to do so, we can truly understand what binds us together. Faith.
Inessa, thank you. Does your statement about the sanctity of the Al-Aqsa mosque being preserved holds any validity to it? From what I have researched, (I’m not being bias) Muslims are not allowed to go for Friday prayers at the mosque. Why? By the way, I really like the way you informed me that riba is jam in Hebrew. At least I have learnt something! Riba can be defined as Interest. Riba is forbidden in Islamic economic jurisprudence fiqh and considered as a major sin. Simply, unjust gains in trade or business, generally through exploitation. (Definition from Wikipedia) This means that interest rates are a a form of riba! “However, I believe the Egyptian Copts are now going to be required to pay a tax for being non Muslim.” Can your belief in this be backed up by proof? Is is a valid statement or a mere charlatan expression? Please not that tax and interest rates are very much different from one another.
The excavations at Al Aqsa are no different from any other archaeological excavations in the land of Israel. They are aimed at revealing the histories of past societies that resided there through the finding of objects and inscriptions that can be properly dated to these past eras. Kabala has nothing to do with it. Historical truth has everything to do with it, which is why the Waqf is terrified about any discoveries that might confirm the historical truth of the Bible.
Re Copts in Egypt
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/11774/christians-should-convert-pay-tribute-or-leave
There are other articles. Raymond Ibrahim links to the evidence sources for his statements.
Charging any interest is forbidden? Do banks of Muslim countries not do mortgages and bank loans? What about Muslims in Western countries taking mortgages?
Re Al-Aqsa: I don’t know about current restrictions, and I have never been in the Al-Aqsa. Every time I have been to Jerusalem, access was restricted to non-Muslims, so any restriction would likely to be due to security concerns. With respect, Israelis did not have any access to their holiest site until 1967, not even once a year.
For a Muslim perspective regarding visiting Jerusalem, look up Kasim Hafeez.
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Dear Norman B, are you sure that the excavations at Al-Aqsa are no different from any other archaeological excavations in the land of Israel?
http://www.arrivals.technocrazed.com/episode-49-the-arrival-of-dajjal-antichrist
I am sure. Swearing by the lies of extremists does not make them truthful.
Just to make things clear, there are no excavations in, or on, the Temple mount. The area is controlled by the Waqf, not Israel. Anyone claiming Israel is “digging al-Aksa” is either an idiot or a propagandist. Excavations are going on around the site, and outside the the podium walls. If anything, it is actually the Waqf who is doing illegal and dangerous excavations on the site. When the lower halls intended for the Marwani mosque were trenched out with mechanised digger, it was done without any sort of archaeological supervision, thousands of years of history were destroyed, and the southern wall started to bulge out.
“Historical truth has everything to do with it, which is why the Waqf is terrified about any discoveries that might confirm the historical truth of the Bible.”
The historical truth about the bible? Do you know that in the Bible, it is stated that a Messenger will come after Isa (peace be upon him, Jesus)? No one Muslim is Muslim if he or she does not accept that the Bible, the Torah and the Quran are holy books that are passed on to God’s messengers. If you were to take the context of the Bible, it is full of fallacies and contradictions. That is why there is an Old Testament and a New Testament. There have been too many alterations that have been made in the bible. It has been infiltrated by a number of individuals. So, for you to say that the historical truth of the Bible were to be excavated, it means that the TRUE answer would be seen! The earliest of Bibles were not infiltrated, thus it was deemed valid to believe in the book. However, over time, again I state that it has been INFILTRATED.
Dear Inessa,
Charging any interest is forbidden. However, in the world we live in now, it is seen as a way for nations to gain profit from its people. Riba is exactly that. Interest. Muslims in Western countries who take interests are wrong in the sense that they do not truly follow the Holy Book. If you were to analyze the income of Israel, it is because of Riba that they are rich, it is because of the exploitation of Arab land. This fact may seem redundant but I say it due to its importance.
Ok I’m still not clear; Do banks of Muslim countries operate differently? Do they not give bank loans and mortgages? Israel does not get rich on “interest”. Its economy is not unlike most western countries. If you don’t borrow, you don’t pay back the principal or interest. I don’t see what the problem is – don’t want to get charged interest? Don’t borrow. Conversely, you can invest in say, a term deposit, or the Superannuation pension funds, and earn interest, or choose not to. To paraphrase Get Smart – the old Arab land trick. We think it’s Jewish land. But even if I considered your argument, when you consider Arab land in its entirety, why focus on this one area which is less than half a percent of the Arab land? What about the land of Egypt and Jordan, where Palestenians have lived for just as long, but where millions don’t have citizenship, voting rights (despite making up some 75% of population of Jordan), and live under different set of laws for work entitlements, property ownership, education etc, with no changes in sight. By contrast, Palestenian Arabs, who are citizens of Israel, have equal rights of Israeli citizens. They are democratically elected and represented in the highest governing positions of Knesset. An Israeli Arab in parliament can voice the most scathing criticism of the PM, and be paid the tax payers funded alaru of all those in government. Can the same be said for his counterpart who criticizes Abbas? We know what happened to journalists who merely exposed facts about government corruption? And how many seats do the 75% Palestenian population of Jordan have representing them in government? What about Egypt? Syria?
Norman B.
Swearing by the lies of extremists does not make them truthful? Can you please clarify on what basis does this ‘swearing’ take place?
Norman B, Inesssa.
Alright. I am by no means an expert in this matter (save for what little I know as common knowledge, light reading etc.). But I just have a few queries.
Does it mean anything to you that Palestinians suffer more casualties than the Israelis?
What about the fact that Israel commands a far superior military force with the backing of the likes of the USA?
Furthermore, how can you justify the fact that Palestinians have been losing more and more of their land to Israel over the past 50-or-so years? Was Jerusalem alone not enough?
Because of these reasons I feel that the Palestinian people are being victimised, and that Zionism is a thing of evil.
Perhaps the initial idea of it was for good; a hoem and sanctuary for the Jewish people. But as of now I think that the concept has been taken too far.
“Does it mean anything to you that Palestinians suffer more casualties than the Israelis?”
Are you saying that not enough Jews have been killed to satisfy your bloodlust?
“What about the fact that Israel commands a far superior military force with the backing of the likes of the USA?”
Israel must command such a military force to properly defend itself against its enemies both on its borders and beyond. In the absence of peace, there is no such thing as too much defense.
“Furthermore, how can you justify the fact that Palestinians have been losing more and more of their land to Israel over the past 50-or-so years?”
Easy. They chose hostility over peace during that time and have suffered the consequences. If they hadn’t started the Six-Day War, the West Bank would be theirs entirely. They violated Oslo with the Second Intifada and its been downhill for them ever since.
Palestenian casualties occur when Israel retaliates. I don’t know where you live, but simply put, if you are living your life, getting up in the mornings, perhaps taking a bus to work, going to the supermarket, taking your kids to school etc, and from some 10km away rockets are being launched to fall in the area of your son’s kindergarten, would you want your government to respond by assessing how many lives are lost, and ensuring that the perpetrators of the murders don’t lose more lives? In Israel, measures are taken in everyday life all for the protection of life, you see it on public transport, all supermarkets, cafes, schools, kindergartens, the way all buildings and homes are built. It is a reality that you would not even contemplate living in Western countries. Also, it is part of the price Israel pays precisely for not doing all those things it is accused of (apartheid, ethnic cleansing). The post you are responding to actually gives you a direct answer: if it is even possible for a child to get killed as a result of a failed rocket launch, what value are these people putting on their children’s lives?
In terms of losing land – Palestenians did not accept the partition in 1948. 6 Arab states declared war on Israel in 1948, the next day after the country was established, with the stated aim of the war to exterminate this one country, a tiny proportion of theirs in land and population. They lost. Palestine. Ceased to exist, with the proposed, but rejected by the Arabs land being appropriated by Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon. Another conflict in 1956, they lost. Another war in 1967, again with the stated and documented aim of annihilation (not reduction of land) of this 1 country by 4 much bigger countries. This time Israel pushed back the armies of Jordan, Syria, Egypt (but not Palestine which no longer existed for 19 years) further, and secured Jerusalem, and strategic positions, so they could defend themselves in future attacks. Again – won in war, started when enemy armies massed on all her borders simultaneously. In 1973, attacked again, with the stated aim of annihilation (not appropriation of land) – Israel defended same borders. In war, which was declared on it by neighboring countries. They lost land because they waged wars, and lost. Unfortunately, the Palestenian version of Jihad, is not the one you described of personal self control, it includes getting land, which is feasible, getting more land within Israel, but without becoming citizens of Israel, which is unlikely, and Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state, which Israel is not going to accommodate. Unfortunately, they have also priced to be rather inflexible, suggesting that they won’t stop at first or second. In the meantime, what demands are made of other countries where Palestenians have been living for centuries, apparently? Why doesn’t Egypt give some land, even just to match the size of Gaza?
I stand by my statement on historical truth. Judaism is based on the revelation at Sinai (the Ten Commandments) which was public and collective “in the sight of the nations.” The Covenant with the Jewish people is everlasting (see the citations by Shy Guy in the thread on Miriam Margolyes). Christianity and Islam importunes their believers to accept in the entirety the private revelations given to the founders. In the case of Christianity, the operable revelation is that experienced by Paul on the road to Damascus. The Gospels were written under his influence after his feud with the family of Jesus, who unlike Paul, knew him personally and was therefore closer to Jesus’s actual teaching.
As for Mohammed, I give you the following article:
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/9865/the-perverse-sexual-habits-of-the-prophet
It is no more extremist than the arrivals.technocrazed.com article that you endorse. Indeed, if you feel the passages in the Quran and the hadiths cited were taken out of context, distorted or falsified, I welcome your corrections without further comment.
Norman B I don’t understand your point.
Jesus came to do away with the law, that Raymond ibrahim is saying the Muslims follow. If they copied from Judaism, (as Mohammed is said to have done)
Why should Raymonds words have any weight since he is a Christian? Is it because he is a Zionist shill? If he were a Christian he would not be accusing Mo, he should critique the original.
Jesus fulfilled the law. You Sir, are a hypocrite. There is nothing in Islam which is not worse in Judaism. if you think Jews should follow them why are you criticising Muslims or Mo?
So you admit Jesus was right when he fulfilled the law?
Your alleged Talmudic citations are all dirty lies and forgeries. Thank you for revealing yourself as the Jew-hating, genocidal scum you are.
Please explain which part of what I wrote (quoted verbatim) are lies, as I can bring you proof that they are very much authentic.
This is why Jesus fulfilled the law and why Christians reject the laws, they are cruel and man made, the latesst being Zionism.
Britian is not doomed. Far from it. Zionism is doomed.
These are complete lies. They are possibly incorrect translations, so don’t bother showing the evidence, unless it’s in Hebrew.
The ignorant malicious responses to my criticism of Zionism are the reason Zionism is evil.
Brian thinks he can impose his beliefs on others and then when they reject his imposition, he thinks it is ‘replacement theology’.
Sir, you and others follow what you want. Your comparing British not giving rights to Poles and French to vote is absolutely pathetic. We give equal rights to all. Christian values demand it, we do not impose second class status, and oppress non Christians.
Poles and French can take British nationality, then they can vote. Brits who emigrate, are expected to be loyal to their country. Not a fifth column for Britian, getting peopple to fight wars, for Britian.
Jews in England have equal rights, they can immigrate legally. Christians and others cannot emigrate to Israel. Israel is an evil aggressor. To even compare Britian to Israel is an insult.
Even if you believe the covenent is valid for yourself, do you think it obligates us to accept it? No Sir.
One Question:
Do you believe that your ‘covenent’ gives you the right to ethnically cleanse people living in a land they chose to after Jews left? We will never this.
If this is Zionism, it is doomed.
Thanks to your admission of hordes of Pakistanis and other Muslims, it is Britain, not Zionism that is doomed.
Thank you James1975 for indicating that Norman B. has been spreading contradictory words. Your usage of Mo is quite offensive but who am I to judge.
The definitions of Zionism that has been stated does not really hold any coherence with the real agenda. I feel that personal interest will always overshadow public needs. With this being said, the Zionist movement is a fallacy itself. True Jews are cheated as Judaism suffers from these exploiters of money, land and people. Indeed, if this is Zionism, it is doomed.
Well, well, the mask is off the would-be uniter of the three monotheistic faiths. Zionism is not doomed, but its enemies are.
Arief, thank you for your words of support. Zionists like NormanB are not part of this world, let their pyscho god help them when the shit hits the Zionist fan.
One has to wonder to whom is he addressing his ‘jew hate’ accusations when so many Jews oppose Zionism?
Arief, it wasn’t meant to be a derogatory term. Mo, is just shorthand, i’m sorry if I offended you.
Norman B.
The mask is not off. There is no mask. I don’t have any mask on. Why should I? I have nothing to hide. If there is a person or a movement that is wearing a mask, it is Zionism. The reality is, many Jews are being subjected to ridicule due to this blasphemous and absurd movement.
James1975,
I appreciate your apology. Thank you.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/herzl/index.cfm
Yay! You found a Jew-hate site on the Internet.
Someone throw Arief a fish!
Hey Shy Guy,
A Jew-hate site? Are you that ignorant? It is A Zionist hate site by Jews. READ. Iqra’. Again, READ.
Repeat and rinse, Bozo.
I don’t understand and I don’t feel like understanding your aforementioned statement. May peace be unto you.
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