Livni: You Are Part Of The Problem

Biden Livni - APIsrael’s Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, currently leading Israel’s negotiations with the Palestinians, has been wailing and gnashing her teeth, prophesying doom and gloom and generally whining like a Pommy cricket fan on Israel’s Channel 2 TV news:

“The world does not understand the settlements,” Livni said in a Channel 2 TV news interview. “The peace negotiations are the wall stopping the wave [of international boycott pressure]. If there is a crisis [in the talks, that wave] will crash through.”

Asked whether Israel would face the same kind of isolation as South Africa did, she replied, “Yes.” Because of the dangers, Livni said: “I’m screaming, ‘Wake Up!’”

Tzipi Livni is a “Justice Minister”. The main reason why “settlements” are misunderstood by the world is because Israelis like her have not fought back against the lies about them.

Israel was too late and too weak in challenging the “illegal settlement” meme that is propagated so well by those who hate us and our enemies.

If Julie Bishop, the foreign minister of Australia, can figure out that the settlements are clearly not illegal why can’t Israel’s own Justice Minister say that?

Asked whether she agrees or disagrees with the near-universal view that Israeli settlements anywhere beyond the 1967 lines are illegal under international law, she replied: “I would like to see which international law has declared them illegal.”

The world has been taught to regard Jews building homes in Judea and Samaria as “illegal” because Israeli has never put up a determined and coherent external face to the world.

To quote Israellycool contributor and native American, Ryan Bellerose:

Disputed lands are not occupied lands, and when discussing indigenous lands, calling the returned indigenous people “settlers” is really offensive.

There is a way to make your internal views about Jews living in the Jewish heartland felt, but without parroting and accepting the lies of Palestinianization that seeks to subsume and replace Jewish history with some made up, false national identity. People like Livni have helped propagate the lie of the “Palestinian nationality” and nation. She may not have been the worst, but she’s batting for the wrong side with statements like these.

Apartheid in South Africa was a fundamentally flawed and inequitable legal system. Israel’s failure to annex land re-claimed legitimately following a failed aggressive war of conquest against us bears no resemblance to South African inequity.

The only way the two can be related is by malicious haters of Israel drawing false comparisons and willing idiots such as Livni not fighting back.

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  • Caped Crusader

    She seriously needs to go! But with her friends in the White House, that’s about as likely as Abbas accepting peace.

  • cba

    Israellycool contributor and native American, Ryan Bellerose

    That would be native Canadian (specifically, Métis)

  • Jim_from_Iowa

    How can Tzipi Livni and Naftali Bennet be in the same Israeli governing coalition? What exactly are the principles that inform and guide this governing coalition? With respect to the West Bank settlements, one principle seems to be schizophrenia.

  • Kane

    You seem to have 3 main problems with your argument.

    1.) The West Bank is only considered a “disputed territory” by one country in the world, Israel. In fact, only part of one country. Israel’s major court has classified the West Bank as occupied, and the settlements as illegal, as have many Israeli officials. They claim this is a security measure, but regardless of what you think about this claim, everyone in the world, except right-wing Israeli’s, agree that the West Bank is occupied territory.

    2.) 1967 wasn’t a defensive war for Israel, and no country/court in the world went on record as saying such a thing, except one (Israel again). Regardless, as the UN has told Israel many times, land acquired by war is illegal, regardless of whether its defensive or offensive. The World Court and Human Rights Organizations agree.

    3.) You refer to the above as “Palestinization lies”. There’s a problem, as these aren’t Palestinian or Arab positions, but the positions of nearly every country/court in the world. You can disagree with the above points I suppose, but to paint this as a Palestinian narrative, when its the WORLD consensus, is a bit dishonest.

    • Aryeh

      It’s not important what will the goyim say, it’s important what will the Jews do. David ben-Gurion said that.

      We don’t give a damn about the antisemitic “international community”. When we were massacred by Arabs before as well as after 1948, nobody raised a finger. Nobody helped us when five Arab armies backed by the British and the Americans invaded the tiny Yishuv on May 14th, 1948, except Czechoslovakia. And to this day the world tries to repress any effort of the Jews to assure their own secure existence. This antisemitism is rooted deep within the gentile mentality. We overcame Hitler, and we will overcome this trouble too.

      Jews will exist and thrive even after all their enemies will cease to exist and will be long forgotten. Any person or people who hates, persecutes, humiliates or hurts the Jewish people or even a single Jew will be judged and punished by the G-d himself. Am Yisrael Chai!

    • juvanya

      land acquired by war is illegal

      So, either North or South Korea is illegal.
      Indian and Pakistani controlled Kashmir is illegal

      Where are you on the Cyprus conflict, where Turkey invaded, occupied, and settled northern Cyprus for over three decades?

      etc etc

      • Kane

        Land acquired by war is illegal, period.

        Any conflict in which a country acquired land by war, be it offensive/defensive, is illegally occupying that land, unless it signed a treaty with the legal owners, in which the issue was resolved.

        I’m not an expert on Korea/Kashmir/Turkey, but if they have situations which fall into the above category, I condemn it.

        • Vladimir


          (a) How does one determine who are “the legal owners” of a land, objectively speaking? All the land disputes mentioned above seem to have arisen from conflicting opinions on this subject.

          (b) What specifically has piqued your interest in the case of Israel-Palestinian conflict, as opposed to, say, N/S Korea, Turkey-Cyprus, or India-Pakistan?

          (b) If you don’t mind my asking, where do you live? Which ethnic group do you identify with most closely?

          Thank you.

          • Kane

            a.) One determines the “legal owners” of land, by framing the question in the context of international law, and when that fails, basic morality.

            b.) and c.) are intertwined. I’m an American, born to an Afghani father and Vietnamese mother. The topic of Israel was occasionally discussed in my home growing up, and as you can probably guess, Israel wasn’t very popular. I never really cared for the “boring political talk” until college, when I took a Middle-Eastern History class. From there, I became involved with various activist groups, usually protesting against Western/Israeli “imperialism” of the Middle-East, Latin-America, and Africa.

            The Israel-Palestinian conflict is unique with regards to its scope. Nobody cares or is invested in the above conflicts, except those countries themselves. However, the Israel-Palestine conflict results in strong opinions in nearly every country in the world, and can be inflammatory for Jews/Muslims/Americans.

            • Vladimir

              Thank you for your reply. It’s pretty much what I expected, given your original comment.

              (a) I am curious as to whom you consider “the original owners” of the land where you were born. Is it Native Americans? I very much doubt that your parents asked their permission when they immigrated into the US. Is it the US citizens as a whole, represented by the US Government? If so, then how was their right of ownership acquired? I think we both know the answer to that question. Do you view this right as more moral or less moral than the right of the Jewish people to live in the ONLY land they have ever considered their own? In other words, do you believe than you have the moral standing to lecture Israelis on “basic morality”?
              (b) If I may paraphrase your answer: “Everybody talks about it, therefore it must be the most serious conflict in the world.” Have you ever considered that the world’s obsession with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has more to do with the millennia-long hatred and persecution of the Jewish people in Christian and Muslim countries –the same countries, of course, that now shake their finger at Israel—than with the actual moral parameters of the conflict itself?
              (c) I understand that you may be predisposed to align your political views automatically with the Palestinian narrative, given your Muslim roots and participation in anti-Western activism. However, you owe it to yourself to learn more about the subject than just “talking points” from your fellow activists. Your statement above: “1967 wasn’t a defensive war for Israel” suggest to me that you still have a lot to learn.


    • juvanya

      It doesnt matter that its “world consensus”. World consensus used to say slavery was good. Argument ad populem.

      • Kane

        Agree 100%, but it does shift the burden of proof. If every country, court, and human rights organization in the world disagrees with Israel on the status of the occupied territories, it is up to Israel and its supporters to provide a cogent and legitimate case for why everyone is wrong.

        Such a case must be grounded in morality and international law. For instance, the user above you replied by claiming the whole world except Israel is anti-Semitic, and that God will punish them. That is not an argument.

  • Travis

    Olmert and Livni would easily become the Petain and Laval of Israel. Why Netanyahu picked that awful woman for a cabinet position is only something he can answer for.

  • juvanya

    I have said this from the start and one of my self-proclaimed right-wing friends stated that she should be in it. I said she was a washed up old rag. My friend, a Likud supporter, even said that Meretz was fundamentally Zionist. I chuckled.

    Israel needs a party that can bridge the secular-religious gap and unite the right. Everyone needs to just leave each other alone. If the Haredi dont want to serve, fine. But they shouldnt expect welfare. The rabbinate needs to be ended, etc etc. Let secular and religious govern themselves on relevant issues and we just come together on national issues like defense.

    • Jim_from_Iowa

      “Washed up old rag?!!?” Now that’s a bridge too far for me, juvanya. Or am I treading on Chris Christie territory now?

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