Do Palestinians Deserve A State?

Obama seems to think it there is such a thing as “Palestinian land” and that Israel occupies and settles it. It would seem he believes the Palestinians deserve a state.

Do you believe Palestinians deserve a state?

Here’s the dictionary definition of “deserve”:

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If you believe they deserve a state what qualities worthy of a reward do you believe they’ve shown over the last 100 years of attacking Jews and trying to prevent Jews from living in Israel? Are you rewarding reprehensible behaviour?

Which terrorist atrocity was it that finally convinced you they deserve a state?

Something old and classic like slaughtering school children in Ma’alot, hijacking aircraft or murdering olympic athletes? Or perhaps the wave of suicide bombings of restaurants, hotels, buses or queues of children waiting to party? Or something more recent, rockets indiscriminately fired at civilians, spraying passing cars with bullets or pulling out knives and trying to slash at the necks of infidels on streets all over Israel.

Which of these terrorist atrocities finally convinced you they deserve a state?

If you believe they deserve a state, they have bombed, stabbed and shot their way into your heart.

terrorist-rally-deserve-a-stateIf you say out loud they deserve a state you are one of those encouraging them to do what they did this morning: send a 14-year-old child to stab a soldier with the inevitable result. One of our young people has to live with having shot their child. If you say they deserve a state, you helped create the conditions where sending a 14-year-old girl to die at the hands of the IDF is inevitable. Of course they do it: it’s a great strategy. It convinced YOU to say “they deserve a state”.

Or do you just think they should have a state despite a century of terror because if they got it they would stop doing all these terrible things? Do you think they would set aside their supremacist claims that all of Israel belongs to Allah and their repetitive Jihadi proclamations that they won’t stop killing Jews until all of the Jewish homeland falls, once again, under the command of Allah’s soldiers and everyone here bends knee and submits to Islam? Do you think they’d even apologise for all they’ve done if they were rewarded with a state?

But you think they deserve a state! Why stop now when they’ve successfully won over someone like you to their righteous cause?

Do you really believe they’d just rest happy with their Jew-free and ethnically cleansed “West Bank” and their Jew-free and ethnically cleansed Gaza Strip and we’d never hear another angry word or grieve another of our children beheaded in their beds? Why should they stop, though, look what they’ve “achieved” through these methods. If they were rewarded with half their state through terror, why would they not think they could get the whole thing through more terror.

But at least you aren’t the only one who fell for such obvious and revolting deception. President Obama, displaying a complete and total disregard for real international law (isn’t he some kind of legal scholar?) said yesterday at the UN:

And surely, Israelis and Palestinians will be better off if Palestinians reject incitement and recognize the legitimacy of Israel, but Israel recognizes that it cannot permanently occupy and settle Palestinian land. We all have to do better as leaders in tamping down, rather than encouraging, a notion of identity that leads us to diminish others.

Because, as Eugene Kontorovich has admirably proved, the legal term “occupation” as Obama is using it, is very far from applicable to Israel and, even if this was an occupation, offering another, new Arab Muslim state as a prize to the Palestinians, at the UN, is a reward for their supremacist and terrorist behaviour.

I’m absolutely committed to my Israeli and Hebrew identity and my identity is tied absolutely to this land of Israel. That shouldn’t diminish anyone else’s genuine identity.  There’s one exception though: the Palestinian Arab identity, which sprung into existence in the middle of the last century. That modern identity is constructed solely to destroy the Jewish identity in Israel. It wasn’t vigorously proposed or pursued until the other Arab States failed to destroy us Jews with regular armies and invasions. Islamic and Arab culture is a colonial invader to be begrudgingly accepted as present in Israel IF and ONLY IF it stops trying to kill us and assert its supremacy.

I know what I think: the Palestinian Arab identity certainly does not deserve a state built on the ruins of the great Jewish State and identity.

Do you still think they deserve their state?

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30 thoughts on “Do Palestinians Deserve A State?”

  1. Do Israelis deserve having to live with millions of Palestinians as their fellow citizens after they’ve been integrated into Israeli society as a result of the implementation of the one-state solution?

    1. Norman_In_New_York

      And what makes you think they will allow themselves to be integrated? If by some miracle they integrate after a century of hate propaganda, they will be accepted as good citizens. Otherwise, out they go.

      1. Go where, exactly? No country on Earth is going to take in a bunch of angry, impoverished, violent Palestinians. Maybe Israel could launch them into outer space as a corrective measure once the one-state solution fails. I bet they could get the Americans to pay for the launches and space stations, too.

        1. Norman_In_New_York

          Well, we could start with Jordan, which already is a Palestinian state despite the veneer of the Hashemite monarchy, which the British foisted on the residents. Beyond that, there is western Europe, where politicians try to outdo do each other in the compassion department. Besides, populations must be replenished now that European women spend more time in abortion clinics than in maternity wards.

    2. Do we deserve listening to Jim constantly assert by implication, whether he realizes it or not, that forging a deal for a Palestinian state on any terms justifies and excuses every evil in the world, on the grounds that no easy answers are forthcoming?

      1. This. Jim seems like a solid and perceptive guy, except for this. Call it willful scotoma. We are all desperate for a solution for this most intractable of problems, but no amount of wishing makes it so.

    3. you keep missing the point
      since oslo the fakestinians have chosen not to create any semblance of an actual working government
      even under the brit mandate, the zionists were able to do that…which is why in 48, they were ready to hit the ground running
      if tomorrow palestine were granted status as a nation state…it would be a failed state from day one
      you keep thinking that the fakestinian really do want a state…but all they want is the destruction of israel
      and obama is a fool

      1. Palestinians want to take over one state, Israel. One-man, one vote, all are the same, Arab and Jew, all have citizenship and the right to expect majority rule. This is what they want, not what I want. I want Israel to remain a pro-Western, democratic Jewish state living out it’s principles as stated in Israel’s declaration of independence.

        1. ahad_ha_amoratsim

          ” One-man, one vote, all are the same, Arab and Jew, all have citizenship and the right to expect majority rule. This is what they want, ”
          Keep telling yourself that.
          I’ll keep telling myself there must be a pony around here somewhere.

          1. 70% of Palestinians now say they want one state between the Jordan River and the Mediteranian Sea. They now believe they can dismantle the Jewish state through the democratic process rather than military conquest.

    4. You seem genuinely well intentioned but you seem to glitch on one important fact:
      Palestinians (who don’t support two separate states) want to take over Israel – so one state which has swallowed Israel. With me so far?
      Most Israelis who don’t believe there are people with whom it is possible to genuinely negotiate the establishment of a Palestinian state, want Israel to stay essentially where it is and how it is. They have no intention of moving into Israel the population of Palestinian Arabs, currently living in the Palestinian Territories, who are not citizens of Israel. They have no intention of appropriating the actual territory on which these people live. They have no intention of granting these people Israeli citizenship. This is not because they like the current situation, this is because it should not be demanded of Israel to organise these people into a state of their own, and if they can’t do it themselves, to take them into Israel. What people who don’t believe in the 2 state solution as anything more than an empty euphemism, want is for Israel to be left the hell alone! If this was going on anywhere else in the world, it would be considered completely absurd!

    5. Why should we give citizenship to people that are already citizens of another country? That is pathetically moronic. They are Jordanian citizens and they have no rights whatsoever on our lands period.

    6. Don’t forget that Muslims (mostly Arab Muslims) make up a staggering over 20% population of Israel. While many in the “international community” concern themselves with calling Israel apartheid, and calling for boycotts, there is no other non-Muslim country in the world with such a high percentage by population of Muslims. I’d say Israel has paid its dues, many times over. Plus, the Palestinians in the Palestinian Territories, get to vote for their own government. They are the ones who voted Abbas in. Are you suggesting they should be able to vote for Israel’ politicians as well as their own?

      1. There is surely something to celebrate in the fact that 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. But when you drill down a bit and uncover some facts, it’s not such a rosy picture. There seems to be a significant proportion of Israeli Arabs who reject the ideal that Israel should continue to be a Jewish state. And Israeli Jews, on the Left and the Right, have noticed. No Arab party has been made a part of any governing coalition in Israel, whether led by Labor or Likud. This suggests that Arabs will never be fully integrated into Israeli society under any one-state scenario.

        1. B.S. They are separate things. There are Israeli Arabs, who don’t believe that Israel should be a Jewish state, and who, moreover, would wish to destroy Israel, from within, even in the government. These Arabs are the same as the Palestinian Arabs in terms of background, and they are influenced by the continual incitement against Israel. This is certainly not a good thing, but the fact that they can be so freely open about their support of Israel’s demise is a testament of how tolerant and democratic Israel is. The fact that there are Arab parties, not just Arabs in government, parties, is testament to the fact that they have full freedom and opportunities. By the way, it is highly hypocritical and disingenuous for Arabs, who are actually in ARAB parties to claim that the idea of Israel as a Jewish state is racist. Can you imagine the U.S. having Black parties? If they are not part of a governing coalition, it is because of their policies, not the fact that they are Arabs. An Arab judge sent a former president to jail, for G-d’s sake.

          1. As an American, the extent to which Israelis are perfectly comfortable with the idea of using ethnic/religious/racial identity in the way they do their politics is kind of unnerving. I know it would not work here in America (we barely can be civil to one another as it is). Arabs form their political parties, in part, based on Arab ethnicity. Lieberman’s party was originally pretty much all Russian immigrants. United Torah Jewish is for Ashkenazim and Shas is for the Sephardic. I can only imagine how explosive Israeli politics would become if you tried to add a few million more Arabs to the electorate. It would not work.

            And you kind of skipped over a rather important point I made, Inessa. Israel grants Arabs citizenship with the right to vote, but not the right to govern their fellow citizens who happen to be Jews. I wouldn’t give them that power either if they didn’t subscribe to the basic tenants of what it means to be an Israeli living in a Jewish state. Therefore, like Bibi always says “Two states for two peoples.” One state bad, two states good.

            1. They do have the right to govern their fellow citizens, and there have been Arabs in governing parties, but not Arab parties. There are Arab heads of departments in all organisations, Arab policemen, Arab principals. More importantly there are nowhere near those numbers for Muslims anywhere else in the world, outside of Muslim countries. Is there discrimination on a personal level – sure. But not specifically against Arabs. Many Israelis are ridiculously crude with their discriminatory attitudes, and often characterise people according to their background culture.

          1. True, and in the last election, the United Arab List didn’t even want to cooperate with the most left yet nominally Zionist party – Meretz – to gain what Meretz acknowledged a priori would be an extra seat for the United Arab List.

            And, of course, initially the ruling coalition had 61 out of 120 Knesset members. How ironic!

    7. ahad_ha_amoratsim

      Been to Israel yet Jim, to gain any first hand knowledge?
      No, I didn’t think so.
      Maybe I should start pontificating about Tanzania or Nigeria. Or London. You’re no the only one who can read newspapers.

  2. 100% in agreement with you Brian.
    It’s all pretty simple to anybody with a grasp of historical facts and a basic moral compass.
    Yet in our times so few have even a basic moral compass, ruined by relativism, and they’ve been trained to avoid facts and thinking. Rather, they are trained to emotionally latch-on to heart-string-tugging narratives that ring true to them at a glance, without analyzing or questioning.
    Such is the sad mental state of the citizens of the Western world today.
    And it’s a mental state that is literally deadly for everybody it touches.

  3. I’m not sure “deserve” is the right word. Who is just given a country/state? You have to earn it. Not by good behavior; some countries are quite murderous. Does Korea “deserve” to exist?

    One necessity for getting help establishing a country is to be a people distinguished by characteristics different from others. We know “Palestinians” have the same language, customs, holidays (although they have formed some militaristic ones like “Nakba Day”), foods and so forth as the surrounding nations. Palestinians are, in fact, Southern Syrians; but there is no chance of them returning there now or in the future.

    This distinctive group of people must also have the necessary abilities to run a sovereign portion of land. We know that the parcels of land already given to the Palestinians have not been developed. The people devote themselves to violence and I doubt this trend would diminish even if they were just handed more land tomorrow. Most of the donation money has been stolen by graft. Sure, other countries have leaders who bribe and steal; but Jew-free Palestine (as it has already been described many times) lacks the essential qualities.

    People need sewage and garbage collection and public transportation. Any modern postage stamp from the Gaza Strip without Hebrew on it (like the old ones being passed off as Palestinian) would have art work of Israelis murdering children. Not only have Palestinians not set up and run institutions, they have stolen water from Israelis (and from other Palestinians), violated treaties, created phony shortages of water, sewage treatment and electricity and destroyed infrastructure GIVEN to them already in operation by the Jews who were forced out of their traditional areas in hope that actually getting the land they keep demanding would satisfy the Palestinians enough so they would stop murdering Jews. That never has worked.

    Lastly Palestinians must work together in the same land. This won’t happen because infighting between terrorist groups or traditional tribal squabbles do not allow it. The inability to put the common good before hatred has been discouraged by parents, governments and teachers for so many years that there are generations of fiercely hating Muslim Arabs who can’t give it a rest. If by misadventure, there were to be yet another area GIVEN to the Palestinians for a country, it would immediately be invaded by surrounding Muslim Arab nations to divide. Either way, for the brief time Palestine #4* stood, their terrorist fighters would be attacking Israel from an even handier vantage point, while Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan would do the same. Hating Jews is something that countries in the area do have in common.

    I think it’s hopeless! All these years and there is still no public transportation system in the Gaza Strip. Why can’t people get on a bus in Gaza and go somewhere? To go home from University with some groceries?? Is it so difficult to turn some attention to what ordinary people need? I think those with power just plain don’t care what people need.

    http://www.ijetae.com/files/Volume4Issue6/IJETAE_0614_132.pdf

    Please correct me if my facts are wrong.
    *The Gaza Strip, West Bank and Jordan which took most of the land formerly in the British Mandate of Palestine.

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