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Coulter Skelter

I might consider myself a Conservative, but that doesn’t stop me from finding conservative commentator Ann Coulter to be utterly offensive.

Media Matters has drawn my attention to an interview from the October 8 edition of CNBC’s The Big Idea (with Donny Deutsch) , in which Coulter espouses some rather vile views about Judaism and Jews.

DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We’re going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your — forget that any of them –

COULTER: I like this.

DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women’s — with abortion — what would this country look like?

COULTER: It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that’s what I think heaven is going to look like.

DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?

COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I’m talking about this country. You don’t want to make this country — it’s not about Republicans. I’m saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.

COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman [I-CT], the Republican Party would look like [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA] –

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don’t want — I’m not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more –

COULTER: We would be a lot safer.

DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because –

COULTER: Well, all of those things.

DEUTSCH: — I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate –

COULTER: Oh, no.

DEUTSCH: — that there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let’s give you — I’m going to give you — say this is your show.

COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They’re Christian. They’re tolerant. They defend America, they –

DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?

COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you’re not.

DEUTSCH: I actually am. That’s not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were – if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists –

COULTER: Whenever I’m harangued by –

DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can’t believe that.

COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity –

DEUTSCH: Here you go again.

COULTER: No, it’s true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that’s really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it’s like they have a chip on their shoulder. They’re just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And –

DEUTSCH: I don’t agree with that. I don’t agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don’t see any more or less chips there either way. That’s erroneous.

COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire Seinfeld episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you’re lying.

DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some Seinfeld episode? OK.

COULTER: But yeah, I think that’s reflective of what’s going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.

DEUTSCH: That isn’t what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or –

COULTER: Yeah.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Well, it’s a lot easier. It’s kind of a fast track.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.

DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly believe that.

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly — you’re too educated, you can’t — you’re like my friend in –

COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean –

COULTER: We have the fast-track program.

DEUTSCH: Why don’t I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can’t believe that.

COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.

DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, “Let’s wipe Israel” –

COULTER: I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention.

DEUTSCH: “Let’s wipe Israel off the earth.” I mean, what, no Jews?

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn’t really say that, did you?

COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we’re all sinners –

DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there’s no –

COULTER: What’s absurd?

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I’m going to go off and try to perfect myself –

COULTER: Well, that’s what the New Testament says.

DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans, and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I’m offended by that personally. And we’ll have more Big Idea when we come back.

[...]

DEUTSCH: Welcome back to The Big Idea. During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I’m going to give her a chance. So you don’t think that was offensive?

COULTER: No. I’m sorry. It is not intended to be. I don’t think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that’s why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don’t believe our testament.

DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, “Jews need to be perfected.” Those are the words out of your mouth.

COULTER: No, I’m saying that’s what a Christian is.

DEUTSCH: But that’s what you said — don’t you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic –

COULTER: No!

DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You’re an educated woman. How do you not see that?

COULTER: That isn’t hateful at all.

DEUTSCH: But that’s even a scarier thought. OK –

COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don’t want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean, [Rev. Jerry] Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is “Christ died for our sins.” We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.

You can view the interview at the Media Matters site, or download it from here.

Update: A number of commenters and other bloggers do not see the big deal with Coulter’s comments, nor why I should find them offensive. I find them offensive because they are offensive to any non-Christian. She has every right in the world to believe what she wants. But she deserves to be criticized for uttering such insensitive things.

Even if what she said is an accurate representation of Christian theology, saying this in a public forum is no less insensitive or offensive to non-Christians.

Don’t get me wrong. The Ann Coulters of the world are not the big threat to our freedoms and way of life. But that fact does not preclude her being deserving of criticism. After all, there’s a difference between feeling offended and feeling threatened.

Update: Thank you for the comments, even though I disagree with most of you so far.

My point is rather simple: Coulter degraded my religion, and this is offensive to me. Does it offend me that most Christians believe what she said? No, because they don’t rub my face in it, like Coulter did.

I am not offended by Coulter because of her Christian beliefs. I am offended because she showed a complete disregard for the feelings of others, those others beings practioners of other religions. In fact, one could argue that her disregard for other people’s feelings contravened the teachings of JC.

Why wouldn’t I be offended that someone went out of their way to publicly disrespect what I believe in?

She made a point of expressing her views on a television show, knowing many Jews would be watching, and that the liberal host would likely take her to task on it. Saying this is her style does not exonerate her.

I have a lot of respect for religious Christians, even though I reject many of their beliefs. We share a belief in the G-d of Abraham, and Christianity is based on many of Judaism’s moral principles. So don’t construe my comments as an attack on Christianity, or an attempt to stifle theological debate.

Other Reactions:

LindaSoG: “I am not going to toe the party line here. She was not just talking “shock” to sell her books or get attention and she was not misquoted or misunderstood. Ann said what she meant and she meant what she said.”

Omri: “This week’s manufactured Media Matters scandal is now online. The Jewish blogs and Democratic organizations are all over it. And wow, it is totally f***ing retarded. It combines the best elements of liberal sophistication: the banality of multiculturalist tolerance, the humorlessness of scolding identity politics, and the blubbering of righteous indignation.” [Aussie Dave: I don't agree with Omri here, but he certainly has a way with words].

Roger Simon: “Coulter is a cross between some nutcase passing out Jews for Jesus literature on Hollywood Boulevard and the Islamists she says she hates.”

The Anchoress: “This is a discussion best left to someone with a gift for diplomacy, a deft tongue and a loving, civil and collected mien. It is is absolutely not a discussion that should be undertaken by someone who has the deftness of a hammer and the mien of a German Shepherd.”

Ace: “It’s fairly standard for religions to assert their metaphysical rectitude and superiority, but we only seem to have these controversies when a Christian expresses it.”

LGF: “From my reading, Coulter was simply stating standard Christian doctrine—with a little extra edginess to get Deustch wound up. Looks like it worked, and now she’ll sell some more books as a result.”

See my latest update here



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About the Author: An Australian immigrant to Israel, Aussie Dave has been blogging since early 2003.

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  1. I fully agree with you, Joseph. ‘Piss Christ’ was utterly despicable.

  2. Ken Hoop says:

    Joseph
    October 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pm

    Maybe not, but well over half of all Israelis want to round up all Palestinians
    and deport them according to a recent poll.

  3. Joseph says:

    Ken,

    What’s the URL for that poll? I find it surprising to say the least. Certainly there is a percentage of wackos out there. Unfortunately the PA seems to make the argument for them again and again – but I still disagree with that position and I would be shocked if I were in the minority.

  4. Kent says:

    This is absurd. She did not denigrate any religions – she advocated her own. Are Jews out there saying that Christianity is The Way? Of course not. Is it a surprise that Christians don’t say that about other religions? Of course not.

    Being disagreed with is not the same as being denigrated. Part of free expression is the freedom to disagree. Feel free to disagree right back. Advocate your own religion all you want. It is a free country.

  5. Joseph says:

    She did denigrate Judaism – by suggesting it needs perfecting. That said, it isn’t the end of the world. I think the reason people are so touchy is that the ‘perfecting the Jews’ statement has traditionally been used to kill so many of us (or coerce us into conversion).

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  7. I think many of you are getting more riled up than I did. Sure, I found her comments to be offensive (she denigrated Judaism in in a public forum, and showed complete disregard for adherents of other religions), but as I have already stated, I do not find her to be the big threat in the world.

    I think many of you are perhaps so used to having Christianity attacked (which I believe does happen a lot), that you jumped on my post as yet another attack on your belief system. Sorry, but that wasn’t the case at all.

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  9. Shy Guy says:

    Aussie Dave Says:
    October 11th, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    Shy Guy,
    LGF is not the bible.

    Blasphemer!!!! You are hereby damned to eternity in the Democratic Underground, where you will be KOS’d Daily.

  10. Scott, in response to your comment:

    Gee, you finally got some comments. At least you are not sputtering and blithering like Roger Simon. Yes Pollyanna, orthodox (actual) Christians truly believe that God gave His Word to you, you ignored Him and we took it over. Sorry. You got all the prophets. You got the Messiah in the flesh. All we have is a book and yet we believe. Have you been made jealous enough yet? Will you give Him an honest look? Or will you continue to bury your heads in nothing but what you have been brainwashed to believe …. like the Muslims?

    I know what you believe, Scott, and quite frankly I am not jealous. Just hoping you’ll stick to the 7 Noahide laws and be a good person.

    Might want to work on respecting other people’s beliefs though. Especially if you want others to respect yours.

  11. James says:

    Aussie Dave,

    “she denigrated Judaism in in a public forum, and showed complete disregard for adherents of other religions” No she didn’t – all she did was state that her religious belief is an updated, improved version of someone else’s. She would seem to feel that it was improved to a point where it couldn’t be improved any further, thus being “perfected”.

    If you really believe the quote, then by making a point of all of this, it has denigrated Christianity in in a public forum, and showed complete disregard for adherents of other religions.

    I thought you were a smart guy, but you seem to be failing to recognise the hypocrisy in your stance on this.

    By believing in one religion, it automatically means that you have rejected the other ones, thus the act of belief alone means that you show a “disregard for adherents of other religions”. You are almost right on one bit – my understanding of mainstream (moderate?) Christian beleif is that there isn’t a “complete” disregard, but there is a substantial disregard of the Jewish faith.

    OmegaPaladin – If you want to get “passionate”, do it for something real, not for fairy-tales.

    Anyway, who is going to call for a Jewish fatwa on Ms Coulter? (Or had Andrew already done that?) Come on everybody, let’s riot!

  12. James, I fail to see how posting about my opinion on Coulter’s comments denigrates Christianity. I have in fact gone out of my way not to criticize Christianity as a religion.

    Coulter basically said Judaism was irrelevant on national tv, knowing Jews would be watching. It is my right to find her disregard offensive. How can anything I have said be equated with this?

    The irony is that those who think I am being too sensitive are the ones who are taking this out of proportion.

  13. James says:

    Dave,

    I fail to see how she denigrates Judaism, other than by not believing in it. You’re not a Christian; following the same argument you seem equally guilty of denigration…

    Coulter made a very simple, but essential fundamental statement of the Christian faith. The way I see your comments on this are that you found that this statement of Christian beliefs to be offensive to your Jewishness. Come on, don’t be a sook.

    Shabbat Shalom (I know it is a bit early but I’m probably not going to get a chance to post again).

  14. James,

    I don’t expect you to see how she denigrates Judaism and Jews since you are coming from her perspective. The point is she basically made her comments on television, knowing her audience would include Jews.

    Now I know full well what Christians believe in and it does not threaten me. I think your’e wrong about some things, you think we’re wrong, but we believe in similar things and that’s fine. But when someone gets up on tv and undermines what Jews believe in, then why the hell shouldn’t I take offence?

    Am I going to lose sleep over this? Not bloody likely. Am I calling for Jihad or even a protest against Coulter? No. I just posted on my blog that I found her comments on tv offensive.

    And for the record, James, I am constantly defending Christianity and lambasting those who compare it to fundamentalist Islam. I am not anti-Christian. I just don’t have much time for those who disrespect others.

  15. Jack Thomsen says:

    Raccoon said that my comments were psychotic?

    No – I am just tired of thin skinned Jews trying to get me into WWIII for THEIR racism.

    Maybe Islam will find a solution for the rest of us.

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  17. That’s the spirit, Mr. Thomsen. Allahu Akbar! Yitbakh el Yahood! Bil Rokh, Bil Dam, nafdik ya Balezdin! Allahu Akbar! Al mawtou li Amrika! Al mawtou li Yahood!

    Atta boy :)

  18. notahemi says:

    The argument isn’t with Ann Coulter.
    I find it really funny that Deutch is upset about what a Jew said.

    Paul, the “super Jew” made the statement to his fellow Hebrews.

    Hebrews 10:14
    For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
    (Jews that accepted Jesus who was offered for their sins)

    And BIG NEWS.
    This just in: Jesus was a Jew.
    So the hypersensitive media Jews can go F themselves as far as I’m concerned.
    And they can quit taking out their frustrations on people that have chosen to believe Jesus the Jew was who he said he was.
    Jews started all this “christian” stuff anyway.

  19. Daniel434 says:

    This IS NOT STANDARD Christian Doctrine, unless maybe you are speaking about the Catholic church. To imply that Jewish people need to be perfected is saying that they are imperfect, but my friends, they are G-d’s chosen people, a Holy People albet far from perfect. A Messianic Jew is not perfect either, for the Bible teaches we are not perfect until the day we receive Glorified bodies. I don’t know of any Christian doctrine or theology that teaches Jews — or anyone for that matter — become “perfected” upon Saving grace through Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach. I hate to see all these unsaved “Churchgoers” commenting that it is standard Christian doctrine when in fact they have no idea what they are speaking of. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist and I realize these words spoken by Coulter are vile and at the least misspoken. It would be different if she said “Jews need to be Saved.” That of course is what I and others true Christians believe about anybody, not just the Jews. Oh, and throw away Judaism? Even is you look past the “perfected” statement you are willing to defend this? Will the real Christians please stand up?

  20. Daniel434 says:

    Paul, the “super Jew” made the statement to his fellow Hebrews.

    Hebrews 10:14
    For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
    (Jews that accepted Jesus who was offered for their sins)”
    ——————–
    And who are those that are sanctified? Those who have accepted Christ and are dead or those Old Testament Saints who obeyed G-d’s law. Those that “are sanctified” who are alive, are in the process of being sanctified, and in some translations it reads “…them that are BEING sanctified”. The perfection comes after death like I said above when we are sanctified with glorified bodies. Jesus nor any of his disciples taught that we as Christians are perfect, in fact the opposite is taught as in Matthew 5:48 it says “BE ye Perfect as in the general goal of the Christian life to be perfect like our Father in Heaven which of course is not achievable in our earthly ministry.
    Matthew 5:48
    “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
    He is clearly referring to the complete glorified completeness that is in Christ which we will also achieve one day but not yet!

  21. Daniel434 says:

    After more thinking I would like to take a step back and admit some error…

    Yes a 3rd post on this subject, I would like to say yes our Salvation, our Spirit are made perfect but ourselves — our flesh — is not perfect, but, in the completeness of Christ we are ultimately made perfect but right now our body,soul is not. There is three distinct parts of man: spirt, soul, and body. I don’t know what Ann was thinking, spirit soul and body? In my case I was thinking of flesh and Sin and that is how I interpreted Ann. So to conclude yes our spirit is complete and Ann could be correct but to single out the Jewish people just because she was trying to attack Deutsch is just plain wrong.

  22. Karen Ladik says:

    fucking Jews – I’m so tired of hearing their shit.

    Coulter was goaded into her “vision” for America.

    She advocated for her own religion.

    Some of you assholes need to read the fucking Talmud – now THERE is a wake up call.

    It’s okay to kill, cheat and steal from Gentiles.

    Don’t get me started…. Jews have no credibility with me on this subject.

    Germany should have finished the job right.

  23. Phil Stefan says:

    yo Karen.

    I hear you.

    Islam will finish the job.

    Jews self destruct in every generation. They are running out of friends in this one.

    Coulter and the knuckle dragging right are the last friends they have. So let em start in on them.

  24. Daniel434 says:

    Actually, the Great Zionist War Machine will crush you all! Bwuahaha! Am Yisrael Chai! Am Yisrael Chai! BTW, how many times did your Islamic friends war on Israel trying to “finish the job” and won? Oh… right…

  25. Daniel434 says:

    BTW, your claims about the Talmud are untrue, find the truth here:
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html

    Here is a part of it:

    “RESPONSE (3)
    It is certainly not “OK to cheat non-Jews”. In the Tosefta Baba Kama (10:8) we are taught: “It is more grievous to steal from a non-Jew than from a Jew because of the desecration of G-d’s name”.

    In Sanhedrin 57a the Talmud discusses the Noahide laws which are binding on all non-Jews. It specifically examines the source of the prohibition against holding back wages. Such practice is forbidden to everyone – both Jew and non-Jew – but the biblical source of this prohibition is different for Jews and non-Jews.

    Jews are prohibited from holding back wages by specific verses in the bible (Lev. 19:13; Deut. 24:14) which impose this prohibition only on Jews. These verses specifically prohibit Jews from holding back wages from anyone, whether Jew or non-Jew (Rambam, positive commandment #200).

    For non-Jews the biblical source for this prohibition is the verse generally prohibiting non-Jews from stealing. “

  26. It’s so nice to see progress in the comments…

    We started with some general antisemitism, moved to the area of Arab-flavored conspiracy theories, got to “yitbakh el Yahood”… and now Frau Ladik and Herr Stefan wrap it up nicely with “Heil Hitler”.

    Ah, it does one good to see progress…

    And now an answer to the assorted Nazis of various degrees: we’ll outlive you all as usual, you ignorant, psychotic barbarians. Am Yisrael Khai!

    On a personal note: dear Nazis. I do hope to uphold my family’s tradition by killing as many of you ugly monsters as possible. May you be flayed alive and gang-raped by dogs.

  27. “Karen Ladik” and “Phil Stephan” have the same IP address 69.254.139.5. In other words, this sad individual is so insecure, they had to leave a comment AND their own supporting comment 4 minutes apart.

  28. Daniel434 says:

    LOL, that is sad and I was wondering about that. To that sad neo-nazi scum:

    When you are sent into the pit of hell, all of creation, and all of heaven will cheer and applaud that G-d has rid the earth of you.

    …and I mean every word of that and every word of that is true.

  29. Don Cox says:

    “Atheism is also a religious belief in that it takes a position that is essentially unprovable. The belief is that science can answer all questions and explain all things. Atheism, and its lack of moral mooring has killed more people than even the bloodthirsty versions of Ann or the Osamas of this world – see Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc?”

    You are confusing atheism, which is not a religion, with Marxism, which probably is. Marxism has beliefs and sacred writings, but like Buddhism does not include belief in a personal God. Atheists are people who do not believe in either supernatural beings or sacred writings.

  30. Don Cox says:

    “Atheism is also a religious belief in that it takes a position that is essentially unprovable. The belief is that science can answer all questions”

    You are confusing atheists with naive scientists. An atheist is not necessarily a scientist, and may know little of science and care less. Some atheists are poets or painters.

    However, I think most people would agree that science has answered some questions, such as the layout of the solar system or the distances to the stars, which were at one time wrongly answered in various sacred writings.

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  32. LindaSoG says:

    Judaism has lived and thrived, passed from one generation to the next, for 5768 years, without forced, coerced or encouraged conversions, without door to door prostelyzing, and without handing out pamphlets on street corners.

    We lasted this long despite 400 years of slavery in Egypt, 40 years of wandering in the desert, and desoute the mighty Roman army who nailed us to ten thousand crosses. We did it despite the best efforts of fervent Crusaders, the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler’s third Reich, Stalin’s gulags, Arab wars of annihilation and 100 years of hateful terrorism, and hundreds of hate-filled UN resolutions.

    Imagine, we survived without beheading anyone on TV, without a single suicide bomber, without kidnapping and murdering school children, without slaughtering Olympic athletes, and without flying airplanes into skyscrapers.

    How did we Jews do it? We survived by concentrating our efforts on education, love of family, faith, hard work, helping one another and a passionate dedication to life no matter what evil befell us.

    We hung in there in hope the rest of the world would one day overcome its hatreds, jealousies and violence to one day join us in a life of cooperation and mutual respect.

    As was made obvious by Ann Coulter’s comments, and some of the comments here on this thread, that day has not yet come, but don’t worry, no matter what you throw at us, we’ll hang in there until it does.

    Am Yisrael Chai.

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  34. larry says:

    I am 17 and i have a friend who is into her stupid ideas. Now being 17 i might not know as much as all of you or anyone else but i do wish to share something even though im a couple months late.

    By race i am half jewish and half christian. But religiously i am christian. What Ann said above about “jews need to be perfected” is completely obsurd and offensive. God made everyone to be equal and no one should be perfected b/c he made us. He made us in his opion of what we should be. Also, if god wanted jews to be perfected then why are we not? why are we not following by the new and old testement and not just the old? Another thins is that christians are NOT perfected jews, there is no way. We all sin, jews and christians, and if christians are perfected then why do they hand out flyers to come to their church? Like the ohter churches are wrong to go to? and why do other christians ignore those people. Finnally, if christians were perfect then there would not be protestants.

    Also i would like to add. Why is she even talking about how republicans are complete christians. Not in this piece but in her other works and interviews. Should’nt all political not be based on what religion you are and what a book tell you is right and wrong?

  35. Daniel434 says:

    Larry,

    You are correct (and quite smart), especially about the comment Ann made. She is known for making outrageous comments and I think her point was not a theological or doctrinal point, but rather, to startle the Jewish host of the show — a despicable act regardless of the politics of the host. It is also quite despicable of her to single out the Jewish people when we all need to be “perfected” in our Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus).

    As Christians we are perfect in Yeshua but only in Yeshua in terms of the efficacy of cleansing our sins as we look to Him for Salvation. On Earth we are not perfected and do not have our glorified bodies as we will in Heaven. So while yes, we are perfected in Yeshua as our sins are wiped away (forgiven and forgotten), we still have a mortal body and a sin nature. We are in no way perfect as we will be in Heaven. We have a terrible sin nature, even in our Salvation through Yeshua.

    The Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9:
    “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

    We are all carnal, sinful, and have physical bodies and will die a physical death, but our hope in Yeshua is perfect and one day we will be perfected.

    You write
    “Another thins is that christians are NOT perfected jews”

    This is 100% correct and I urge you to read:
    http://www.layhands.com/AreGentilesSpiritualJews.htm

    There are some Christians who teach we are all spiritual Jews, this is a false doctrine which leads to antisemitism among other things. Instead we as Gentiles are wild olive branches grafted into a Jewish tree but we ourselves do not become Jewish or “Spiritual Jews”, just part of the tree. Nor do we replace the Jewish people as some claim in what is widely known as “Replacement Theology” also called “New Covenant” which in itself is also antisemitic and very popular (unfortunately). I would suggest you study Dispensationalism and reject the antisemitic Replacement Theology. If you need some resources or book suggestions, feel free to e-mail me at:

    williamwrightjr AT verizon DOT net

    In Yeshua,
    Daniel

  36. Jorge Banner says:

    See a nazi bitch, pick her up and all day you’ll have bad luck.
    Why does anybody waste his time with the likes of her?
    She’s a troll looking to sell her books.

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