Imperial History of the Middle East
Aussie Dave | Mar 17, 2010 | 23 comments
5000 years of history in 90 seconds.
See if you can spot when a palestinian state existed.
(hat tip: Jewgle Perth)
5000 years of history in 90 seconds.
See if you can spot when a palestinian state existed.
(hat tip: Jewgle Perth)
MONGOLS!
I wonder how things would be today if they had managed to defeat the Mamluks and ride into the Land of Israel…
I may be wrong, but I think they were pretty good at massacres.
"All who surrender will be spared; whoever does not surrender but opposed with struggle and dissension, shall be annihilated."
There would probably be lot more Mongolian BBQ places.
That's actually from Hong Kong or Taiwan unfortunately.
A lot of the "exotic" Asian food here in the US is actually Chinese. Even Chinese food isnt really Chinese. *sigh*
Awesome post!!
Looks like the Kingdom of Egypt had it first — so, does that mean Israel should secede to Egypt?
Not the same Egypt.
Claiming that a Palestinian state shouldn't exist because it never existed before is a terrible argument. Pretty much every state in the world today is artificial and was created through violence and coercion. We should be asking why states exist in the first place, and why they always seem to be created by the ruling elite as a way of protecting their property. I personally don't think any state should exist. If it were up to me I would want the Middle East to be like what it was like during the Ottoman Period where all the people in Jerusalem handled their affairs, all the people in Damascus handled their affairs, all the Greeks did their stuff, all the Armenians did their stuff, etc. States are highly unjust institutions. Study anarchist philosophy (like Proudhon) to get a better idea.
Um, actually, the history of Jews under the Turks and their predecessors (and in similar places in the M.E. today) showed that minorities like Jews were best protected where the central government was strongest. It was when "all of the people handled their own affairs" that the local Sheikh could steal your daughter (married or not) to be his Nth wife.
I have a nice book (Zion Before Zionsim) about what things were like in those days. It was worth your life to go to the countryside. In the city there were Jews and Christians on the councils, who had the right to keep their mouths shut.
Does it say anything about the vast olive groves and pally society?
[...] h/t Aussie Dave [...]
Not true Julia. They are claiming a historical right to the land and by this video there never was a Pal state. Also look at the origins of these folks who want to call themselves Palestinians. Arafat was egyptian. Most of those are not from the land idenified as Israel but from surrounding states who migrated there for work. when u migrate one must assimilate with the existing group. U wouldnt move to Greece or Italy and not try to assimilate. otherwise u would be shunned. WHy is it Arabs can do anything they wish and its always the other ones frault. Gaza was egyptian and has been for millinia. The west bank is the Jewish heartland plain and simple. the Arabs there have no claim on the land though they want it and because they want it history and facts are obscured or ignored.
Julia pt 2 They have no right to the land. First because there is no historical evidence, 2nd hysterical whinning about it doesnt cut it either. 3rd Arabs started and lost 5 wars to Israel. There are consequenses when U attempt to anninilhate a people. What are the consequences for the Arabs? Not a damn thing. No Israel should depopulate the west bank as the jews were forced out of their ancesterial homes by the Arabs after the founding of Israel. People who had lived for sover a thousand years throughut the middle east were forced to leave their homes businesses and many belongings and flee ecause they were Jews and the Arabs felt strong enough to kick them out knowing there would be no consequences. Well where are the Arab reparations for starting the wars and losing them.
Julia pt 3 HAD ISrael lost what do in your wisdom believe would have happened to the Jews living there? They would have been slaughtered to the man,woman and child. It is our land and we will not relinquish it. ALso stopping building in the capital is like stopping construction in DC or NY . What do you think the reaction would be if the ISraeli Premier said no more construction in DC because it affects the rights of the monority white people living there. This is the same damn thing. I wish you libs would wake up.So quit your damn whinning about these Arabs seeking to steal Jewish land.
Anarchist philosophy is bs and unworkable it just brings chaos and rule by the strongest mainly a tyranical dictatorship is what results from anarchist philosophies. Thats why they are all BS
Tell that to the kibbutzim. It works, but not on a large scale.
There isn't all that much left of the kibbutzim anymore. Well, there is some, but a lot less than there was. Anyway, I thought that was socialism, maybe communism.
Okay…. and how is the Kibbutz an answer to Anarchism? The Kibbutz is a communal governing structure and the anarchists believe in the elimination of governing structures? In many ways they are the exact opposite ends of the political spectrum. This is like saying that the KKK is wrong and saying that Martin Luther King would disagree.
Kibbutzim are anarchistic. They were formed based on anarcho-communist beliefs of communal life with no government. They are more formalized and have more structure, but fundamentally are still anarchist attempts.
There are other anarchist ideas: primitivism, capitalism… Most, though, are communist or syndicalist. So you can broadly say anarchist and this.
Ultimately everything is a form of government, except perhaps pure individualism, but not many anarchists support that afaik.
Kimo, I agree with most of the points you've made, but you need to refine one aspect of your argument. You write: "when u migrate one must assimilate with the existing group. U wouldnt move to Greece or Italy and not try to assimilate. otherwise u would be shunned." According to this logic, Jews needed to assimilate when banished from the land of Israel and become Babylonians, Romans, etc. The only reason we still exist as Jews is that our ancestors' sense of ethnic, religious and cultural identity overcame the "inconvenience" of being perpetually shunned and persecuted by their neighbors. At the very least, we need to distinguish between forced and voluntary migration.
Who cares if there was never a state? Hundreds of thousands if not millions of Palestinians were driven from their homes. Even your founding fathers admitted that.
In completely fabricated quotations (ie they didnt really say it).