Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

This is the first post by a new Israellycool contributor, Ryan Bellerose. He has been known to Israellycool for a while and we’re delighted to publish this important essay here.

I am a Métis from Paddle Prairie Metis settlement. My father, Mervin Bellerose, co-authored the Métis Settlements Act of 1989, which was passed by the Alberta legislature in 1990 and cemented our land rights. I founded Canadians For Accountability, a native rights advocacy group, and I am an organizer and participant in the Idle No More movement in Calgary. And I am a Zionist.

Indigenous status

To begin, let us acknowledge that there is no rule that a land can have only one indigenous people; it is not a zero sum game in which one group must be considered indigenous so that therefore another is not. However, there is a very clear guideline to being an indigenous people. It is somewhat complex but can be boiled down to the checklist below, as developed by anthropologist José R. Martínez-Cobo (former special rapporteur of the Sub-commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities for the United Nations).

This list was developed because indigenous rights are beginning to be respected across the planet. This recognition is incredibly important, so we as indigenous people cannot allow non-indigenous people to make false claims, which ultimately would harm our own rights. Israel is the world’s first modern indigenous state: the creation and declaration of the sovereign nation of Israel marks the first time in history that an indigenous people has managed to regain control of its ancestral lands and build a nation state. As such, this is incredibly important for indigenous people both to recognise and to support as a great example for our peoples to emulate.

The actual working definition of “indigenous people,” (not the Wikipedia version, nor Merriam Webster, both more suited to plants and animals) for purposes of this essay is that developed by aforementioned anthropologist José R. Martínez-Cobo. With this as my foundation, I will detail why Jews are indigenous to Israel, and why Palestinians are not.

Martinez-Cobo’s research suggests that indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

  • Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them
  • Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands
  • Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.)
  • Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language)
  • Residence in certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world
  • Religion that places importance on spiritual ties to the ancestral lands
  • Blood quantum – that is, the amount of blood you carry of a specific people to identify as that people. The concept was developed by colonialists in order to eventually breed out native peoples.

Let us now look quickly at the Jews. How do they fit this definition?

  • Their lands were occupied, first by the Romans, then by the Arabs in the seventh century.
  • They share common ancestry with previous occupants as determined by several genetic studies.
  • Their culture can be traced directly to the Levant, where it developed into what is now known as “Jewish culture.” While different Jewish communities have slightly different traditions, they all share the same root culture, and it remains unchanged. They have resurrected their traditional language, and while many still speak Yiddish and Ladino, Hebrew has become the primary language again.
  • They have spiritual ties to the land, which plays a large role in their traditions as a people.

Despite all the arguments about “European” Jews, they in fact meet all the criteria set forth by Martínez-Cobo. Even though Israel is the first modern indigenous state, it still has lands that are occupied by foreigners in Judea and Samaria. Those are ancestral lands and, many feel that they should be returned to the indigenous peoples for self-determination.

Now, for the flip side.

Palestinians have what are called “ rights of longstanding presence;” and although these are legitimate rights, they do not trump indigenous rights. The very nature of “longstanding presence” means that although they lived somewhere a long time, they do not have the right to occupy indigenous peoples and control them.

The argument that Palestinians are indigenous is incorrect for several reasons.

  • Approximately 50% percent of Palestinian Arabs can track their ancestors back farther than their great-grandparents. Many are descended from Arabs brought to the Levant by the British to build infrastructure after World War I.
  • The vast majority of Palestinians are Arabic speaking Muslims; the Arabic language is indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula, as is the Muslim religion. The Muslim religion’s holiest places are not in the Levant, but in the city of Mecca, located in the Arabian Peninsula. They have no specifically Palestinian culture that is completely Palestinian dating before the 1960s; in fact, prior to that, the majority identified as “greater Syrians.”
  • Some Palestinians share common ancestry with indigenous peoples, but they neither follow indigenous traditions nor do they self-identify as those indigenous peoples. They share neither religion nor language with them. Blood quantum alone is insufficient to transmit indigenous status.
  • The Arabs of the Middle East subsumed several indigenous populations, but no group can become indigenous through subsuming indigenous peoples. Rather, they conquered the entire region and spread their own language, customs, and religion. This is historical fact.

Now you might ask, why is this important? It is important to indigenous people because we cannot allow the argument that conquerors can become indigenous. If we, as other indigenous people, allow that argument to be made, then we are delegitimising our own rights.

If conquerors can become indigenous, then the white Europeans who came to my indigenous lands in North America could now claim to be indigenous. The white Europeans who went to Australia and New Zealand could now claim to be indigenous. If we, even once, allow that argument to be made, indigenous rights are suddenly devalued and meaningless. This is somewhat peculiar, as those who are arguing for Palestinian “indigenous rights” are usually those who have little grasp of the history, and no understanding of the truth behind indigenous rights.

If you should encounter the argument that conquerors may themselves become indigenous to a region by virtue of conquering, direct those who assert the argument to this article, and help them understand not only is the argument wrong – it is dangerous to Indigenous people everywhere.

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What’s another word for “Israeli’? – Indigenous. Poster by: Philippe Assouline

About Ryan Bellerose

A member of the indigenous Metis people, Ryan grew up in the far north of Alberta, Canada with no power nor running water. Ryan was unsure if his real name was "Go get water!" or "Go get wood!" In his free time, Ryan plays Canadian Rules Football , reads books, does advocacy work for indigenous people and does not live in an Igloo.

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  • https://twitter.com/jonorose Jono Rose

    Superb piece. One of the most important pieces I have read in a while. Great stuff.

  • sam

    Amazing read
    thanks

  • Shai

    Sources are needed. “50% of Palestinians can trace their ancestors to… ” – source? We can’t convince people who are on the fence just based on our word.

    • juvanya

      Yea it always helps to have sources, especially on this, which is actually fairly easily proven.

    • PW Virginia USA

      I looked up census figures from 1920 and 1930…they clearly show that the growth of Arab populations could only come from immigration and not natural growth

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  • Garrett Rutledge

    Ryan, Your points were all well made.

  • http://falkland-islands.tumblr.com Ron Barak

    While there are some historical inaccuracies in the post (see below), the idea is original and compelling, and should be embraced.

    * “Their lands were occupied, first by the Romans, then by the Arabs in the seventh century.” The Land of Israel was occupied by many more, though indeed the Romans and Arabs are the most important to the argument.
    * “it still has lands that are occupied by foreigners in Judea and Samaria.” depending on where in history one looks, arguments can be made for Lands on the East bank of the Jordan river, as well as on the Golan.
    * “Approximately 50% percent of Palestinian Arabs can track their ancestors back farther than their great-grandparents.” this is probably a typo and the _can_ should have been _cannot_
    * “but in the city of Mecca” should be but in the cities of Mecca and Medina (with Jerusalem a later invention as a holy place subsequent to intra-Islamic political struggles).
    * “prior to that, the majority identified as “greater Syrians.”” should read “prior to that, the majority identified as just “Arabs.” and were offended to be called Palestinians.”

    • http://www.israellycool.com/author/brianoflondon/ Brian of London

      Most of your points are well taken. I don’t think they change the thrust of Ryan’s article and I feel its important to see his approach as a non-Israel expert. The broader historical point is well made and that the deliberate inversion of Arab and Jew to make the Arab the indigenous people is the issue.

    • cba

      Ron, while I agree from the perspective of presenting an argument “Approximately 50% percent of Palestinian Arabs cannot track… ” is stronger than “Approximately 50% percent of Palestinian Arabs can track…” from a factual perspective it’s pretty much the same, since 100 – 50 = 50

      :)

    • Ryan Bellerose

      I wasn’t writing a novel ron, and in point of fact I needed to simplify this for the readers who have not studied the history. the article would be quite ponderous if I included every occupation and revolt in the levant. I did not say that the lands in Judeah and Samaria were the only occupied lands, so im not sure how thats an inaccuracy so much as a non essential point. The city of Mecca is the primary holy site which was my point, I wasn’t going to list all of Islams holy sites because then someone would have asked me “why not jerusalem, when everyone knows Jerusalem was added later on and isnt considered to be as important. as for the “greater Syrians” quote, thats actually straight from an Arab source.

      I am ok with criticism, but I am Metis, my area of study in school wasn’t Middle eastern history I have largely self educated.

      either way feel free to write an article with similiar points, the crux of the article is that the palestinians are pushing a false Narrative. and I haven’t seen too many non jews call them out for doing so.
      regards
      Ryan

      • http://www.israellycool.com/author/brianoflondon/ Brian of London

        Islam generates holy sites at will. One day, probably soon, there will be Mosques in Paris, London and Rome designated the 4th, 5th & 6th holiest sites in Islam. It’s just their method of operation.

        Look at the beautiful Church of St Sophia in Constantinople. Oh wait, it’s not a Church any more. And it’s not Constantinople any more. They made a huge mistake not managing to rename Jerusalem properly. I think we should change the English spelling now though: Jewrusalem.

        • Jim_from_Iowa

          Why did Constantinople get the works? That’s nobody’s business but the Turks!

        • amir

          Actually they did try to rename Jerusalem. They call it al-Quds

          • cba

            They call it al-Quds

            Which means “the holy” (cognate of HaKodesh).

  • Mary why

    Very compelling argument with world wide applications. I do agree with Ron corrections. If you look at old painting of the holy land it is very clear that the Arab increase in numbers due the British who start developing the are plus the early, new Jewish immigrant from Eastern Europe who start building new villages and needed labor. The word was out and many Arabs move to the land of Israel because that where the work/money was. The Turks who occupied the area for 400 prior to the Brit did very very little in land developing or other source of income.

    • dymphna

      In parts of Islam-conquered areas of the Middle East, the concept of the wheel disappeared. No one even had carts. Kafirs learned to own nothing a Muslim could take.

      Meanwhile, in Egypt, Copts (the word meant “Egyptian”) survived the same way oppressed Jews in Europe did: by education, literacy and business acumen.Keeping a low profile Today in Egypt Copts own telecommunications while Muslims stand in line for bread. When there is bread.

      Prior to the Arab pirates of the 7th and 8th centuries, Egypt was the breadbasket of the Mediterranean. Arab sheepherders allowed their flocks to destroy hundreds of years of careful cultivation along the Nile. Papyrus disappeared and so did literacy in the Med. Islam makes its followers memorize because they’re illiterate.

      If they can’t shoot with it, blow stuff up, or otherwise destroy, Arabs aren’t interested. Look at what they’ve done with all their oil wealth. The non-Israel Middle East will never ever manage a Nobel science prize and they don’t care.

      Indigenous is fine, but how about some consideration for what a people does with natural resources? Jews took a miserable desert and made it a garden. Now the envious want the garden back, though when given all those greenhouses, they ripped them apart to make better weapons.

  • Alec

    This article is fraudulent. Accepted mainstream histories of the Jewish people – including those in Israel’s own universities – clearly state that 90% of all Jews alive today are descendants of the Khazar people of Central Asia, who emigrated to central Europe.

    Genetic testing shows the Palestinians to be a close genetic match to the Judeans of ancient Israel, and Israalies to be Khazar-European. Only sephardic Jews carry a similar level of Judean genetic markers as Palestinians do.

    You cannot argue with the reality of these scientific and historic facts. 90% of Israelis are not Jewish by matrinlineal blood. And frankly, international law does not care if you believe a religious book promised you a certain piece of land.

    The sad thing is, none of you will bother to check anything I have said. Logic and facts mean nothing to Zionists. Zionists are born into lies, and live by lies. Zionists are a disgrace to Judaeism.

    • Truth teller

      This has been debunked so many times. You are pushing a myth. The Holy Land is full of Jewish sites
      and archaeology.

    • Dorith

      This is such a stupid thing to say, that 90% of the Jews are descendants from the Khazar people. And which Israeli university claims this stupidity?
      Years ago I took courses in Jewish History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Do you want to say that since then history has changed?

      And you know what is really sad? That you believe such nonsense!

      90% of the Israeli’s are not Jewish through their mother. Now, for me everybody who has the Israeli nationality is an Israeli. Since about 20% of the Israeli population is Arabic, it is correct to state that they are not Jewish. Of the remaining 80%, there is a certain percentage which is not Jewish and does not claim to be Jewish (for example partners of Jewish residents). It appears that you just like the number 90. 90% of this and 90% of that. I’ll tell you something: you are 90% wrong. (And I am kind)

    • http://shimonafromthepalace.wordpress.com Shimona from the Palace

      Alewc, if you had bothered to give links and sources, I might have bothered to check them. As it is, you are basically another antisemitic liar, who makes up stories and then says “check it out.” Well, my friend, YOU make a claim, YOU prove it. That’s how it works in law.
      Now, you tell me – even if the Khazars converted to Judaism, what about the Jews who were already living in Europe? Do you think they simply disappeared overnight and left the field clear for the converts?

    • Dannyboy

      Alec I can tell you as a medical scientist and a professor in one of the countries top schools of medicine who is familiar with the genetic studies on the topic your claims about the scientific evidence is wrong, wrong wrong. You are either misunderstading the science or reading someone deliberately skewed interpretation of it.

      And if you believe professor Sands viewpoints on Jewish history is considered mainstream (“Accepted mainstream histories of the Jewish people – including those in Israel’s own universities..”) well that explains why you read the genetic studies the way you do.

      In the ground of the land are artifacts going back thousands of years that connect the people who lived there culturally to the Jews of today and not the Arabs. The dead sea scrolls for example are fragments of the same bible Jews adhere to today. They are written in an ancient version of the Hebrew contemporary Jewish holy books are written in. Any kid in Hebrew school anywhere in the world would be able to read many words on the dead sea scrolls. An Arab living right there where they were found would not have a clue about how to read any of the words (unless he knew Hebrew).
      The is no evidence of an ancient Arab culture before the 10th century AD, about 1000 years after the writing of the dead sea scrolls. How can Jews be colonists to a land where buried in the ground are artifacts of their own culture and history. Lets face it, Israel is the return of the Jews to their ancient homeland

    • dymphna

      And on and on. Interestingly, Kurds share DNA with Jews. Maybe it happened during the Exile to Babylon?? Whatever. When you see peshmerga fighters, or Kurds protecting their culture from Syria, Turkey, Iran, etc., – i.e., cultural cohesion across centuries, or the way the Iraqi Kurds (same ones Saddam was so afraid of) came back after that genocide and had their lands up and running while the rest of Iraq was still embroiled in conflict.

      Blood – DNA – will tell.

    • Mara Cohen

      Alec-my Family came from Hebron, until the butchery of the Mufti’s men in 1929. Our Mizrahi Family was there from well prior to the Arab Muslim invasions, and in fact had had strong ties to Binyamin of Tiberias. With the Jordanian Occupation, the rest of our lands were taken, our homes, as happened to our relatives from throughout the MENA Region, the expropriation, ethnic cleansing with refugee status that was the result of the first two activities. It has always been the standard that populations were moved with the overturn of Empires and political change, and the population exchange that occurred post WW2 was pretty standard, except for the Mufti of Jerusalem and his followers, and al-Islam’s claim to the divine right of Muslims to rule the Levant. The Khazar myth has been exploded again and again, yet as the Colonialist you obviously are, you seem to think Blood Quantum as defined by you trumps all claims to being Indigenous. If you had actually read Ryan’s Article, you might have noted that in the definition of Indigenous offered and used by him, BQ is identified for what it is. And very well defined and noted for what it is not. I am a Zionist, that does not mean I hate Arab Muslims, but after my Family having lived as “dhemmi” in our own Homelands for 1500 years, with all that horror meant, I and mine refuse to give up self-determination, nor to bow my head to the anti-Jewish prejudices of dominant majorities that actually believe their own propaganda BS. This new people, the “Palestinians”, rejected by other Arabs, and mistreated by same, taken advantage of for financial and political reasons by “Arab Leadership” have my sympathy, however their bloody history since WW1 and refusal to accept and develop their own Nation-State strikes me as sufficient reason to reject your hypocrisy and eurocolonialist perceptions and views. Go learn some Levantine history, learn to speak, read and write Hebrew and Arabic, and get over your culturally engrained prejudice against the Ethno-Religious People known this century as Jews.

  • London_Liz

    IN the 1990s my family emigrated to Canada & I recall my son telling me of an incident in his class (in French Canada). The teacher asked the pupils who were ‘native Canadians’ to put up their hands. He then asked each child where their grandparents were from & if they answered Canada asked about their great grandparents until every child came up with a country that was not Canada. He then asked those who were native Canadians to put up their hands at which point of course no one could. The point was well made. BTW the teacher was a Jew who had come to Canada from Morocco!

    • dymphna

      French Canadians are French first. As are the Cajuns in Louisiana and those French-speaking 6th generation “Americans” in Maine and Massachusetts.

  • E Pluribus Wombat

    I am picking out some city blocks in Bialystok Poland which, according to the Arab indigenous theory of everything, are mine by birthright. Never mind that no one in my family has set foot there in 120 years. They’re mine under the rule of indigenous peoples. So those dirty Poles better cough up the real estate or there will be mayhem and whatnot.

  • Dafna Yee

    Thank you, Ryan, for taking the time and making the effort to learn about the issues of a people that is not your own but with whom you can empathize. Your article was excellent, well-written, and approached an old issue from a fresh angle. I will look forward to reading more of your articles in the future.

  • http://tmq2.wordpress.com Lance

    Palestinians are as indigenous to Israel and its surrounding territories as Obama is indigenous to Hawaii. Muslims are always looking to move in and take over areas developed by someone else. Once Israel developed that area, created jobs and a higher standard of living, the buzzards swooped in for the kill. This is one Goy (with a splash of Ashkenazi) who is wise to the Palestinian lying game. Muslims are the best liars in the world, so let’s give credit where credit is due.

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  • John W

    Whilst a supporter of Israel I am not sure about some of these assertions. Not least of which because based upon them we English cannot claim to be the indigenous people of England!

    Isn’t the real problem here that it always depends on how far you go back in history? Surely if you wind back far enough there are no indigenous peoples at all since all countries formed as a result of pre-historical migration

  • http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com Joseph Hertzlinger

    One big problem with the idea that indigenous people belong “where they came from” is that some people are partly from one area and partly from another. Should they go back to both places? Is the goal for my heart to be in Israel and my pancreas in Poland?

  • Ryan Bellerose

    I think that its important to understand what indigenous means and why its important.

    I actually had an argument on my facebook page regarding the english, just Because the english do not completely fit the checklist, doesnt make them any less valid a people, they simply arent indigenous. they have rights of longstanding presence and as there are no indigenous people of the region left, thier rights would supercede any others. In Places where there are indigenous people, their rights supercede rights of longstanding presence.

    Its also important to understand that almost every indigenous people were victims of a more “powerful” culture. and while “might makes right” was the most popular way to do things for centuries, we are supposed to be more enlightened now.

    its very important to understand that indigenous status is granted by where you are physically from, if it was then the idiots quoting the bering strait landbridge and the africa genesis theories would be correct. its about where your people became a people as well as several other important factors.

    • Shoshana Rubin

      Very good article, Ryan. You have studied the situation very well. And as far as the Palestinian claim that Jerusalem “is an Islamic holy site,” Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Qu’ran on any page nor in any language.

      Thank you, Ryan and hope to hear more from you!

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  • Alexandre

    Monsieur Bellerose,

    Merci. Great read. Looking forward to more. Now following you on Twitter. :)

  • Alstrum Dabat

    The strategy of all colonialist projects was to deny the legitimacy of the indigenous population in order to justify their ethnic cleansing and the theft of their land. This article will suite those who believe that the Jews settled “a land without a people for a people without a land”, and to clear the conscience of the guilty. Palestinian culture like ALL Middle Eastern cultures has a distinct Arab/Islamic influence. Even the Jews of the Middle East prior the creation of the “state” Israel had (and still have) a distinct Arab/Islamic influence within their communities. Samarian Jews who still consider themselves Palestinian are so similar to their Muslim and Christian neighbours that you would be unable to tell the difference between them. What makes Middle Eastern peoples (i.e. Iraqi, Kurd, Palestinians etc…) different are the subtle differences in cultural dress, food, names, poetry, literature etc… accents. For example some Palestinian family names have Hebrew, Canaanite, and Christian roots, while others are distinctly Islamic. The Palestinian people were effectively Arabized during the 7th century, where many of the Christian and Jewish inhabitants converted to Islam over time, giving us a Muslim majority today. This is why recent DNA studies have shown that the Palestinians share a common gene with Middle Eastern Jews and that the Palestinians are indeed as indigenous to Palestine as the native Americans are to America. This article is a complete fraud, and a tool used by Zionists to justify the theft of another peoples land and culture. Why is it when we speak of “Israeli culture” what we find is a distinctly Palestinian/Arab culture? Why would Israel need to steal Arab food, music and other elements of their culture and claim it to be “Israeli” or “Jewish”? Since when has Humus and Falafel become a Israeli food? Since when has Arab sounding Music become “Israeli music”? Until Zionists can accept responsibility of the cultural and ethnic cleansing of Palestine and the Palestinians, there will never be peace. It is a disgrace that articles like this exist and it is a disgrace and pretty sad that people believe this shameless propaganda.

    • cliff

      You apparently didn’t read the article. Blood quantum alone isn’t enough to make the Palestinians native. Their language, culture, and religion is not from the Levant, therefore, they CAN’T be indigenous. In fact, the Palestinians weren’t “Arabized” in the 7th century, because they didn’t even exist back then. Name me one Palestinian leader before 1900

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  • Gary McHale

    What does Mr. Bellerose believe about Jews in Canada – are your citizens or occupiers? Do Jews in Canada have rights in his view or are they merely part of the colonial oppressors?

    • http://www.rjstreets.com Real Jstreets

      Interesting question for Ryan. All the Jewish families that I know in Canada came as refugees from Europe. Those who came for the Gold Rush are buried outside Vancouver, BC.

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  • Sahap Kadir Seit-ali

    contact me and i will educate you on the real history.

    palestinians were taken there after ww1? ha ha ha ha, you are obviously a very unwell man and need of a shrink for your delusions.

    in case you are under 12 please report to a senior respected relegious sparadic jew. they will educate you on the difference of, hebrew, jew, zionist, rabbanic, essenic, israel.

    • cliff

      What is real history to you? The myth that the so-called Palestinians were kicked out of their homes? Please! The Palestinians are just a propaganda pawn used by the Arabs to try and destroy Israel. If this was all about statehood, there would’ve been peace in 1947. Name me one Palestinian leader before 1900 if they are such an ancient people.

      • Sahap Kadir Seit-ali

        Real History, To Me Is, Undistorted, Unchaned, Unbaised Facts of The Past.

        it appears you are far, too, brain washed to accept life and history as is. so i may be wasting my time. but, i will write this for the record to remain.

        you are not semetic, most especially if you look like a danish, scot, norwegian, sweedish, anglo saxon.

        you may be a zionist, as zionism is a very large club, that anyone from anywhere in the world can join.
        however, if you are living in israel, and a resident, than you and anyone else, since late 1940′s, when atomic bombs, were made available.

        again hebrew? well if your families are german – irish – english you cannot be hebrew or semetic can you now? p l e a s e !

        one of my great grand parents owed a massive house and much land, with much wealth in what you N O W call is ra el. he was murdered, house, land, property taken and his wife had to take their children and leave before they shot the children and his wife in thehead as they did to him. he was originally jewish. he had never been to europe, nor germany. he had turkish jewish family background. photos are available of the incident.

        robbery, rape, murder, genocide, abuse, hell is what they and many others suffered long before you were born and long before the 1940′s. don’t bother giving me, your psha kref, white, germanic, viking, slutsky manner. not interested.

        regards to officials for the area? sure, The Turks / altaiks empire called Osmanli. Which was attacked by almost every country on the planet and they still nearlly lost the battle. palestine, syria, etc, was under the power, official leaders as you call it for approx 1000 years.

        a homo sexual child molesting, drunk, by the name of t.e.lawrence encouraged the saud / faisal / quresh family, to lead their army (which was osmanli) to stab the turkish army in the back (traitors) and weaken the south of the turkish empire.
        that is how syria, palestine, were taken in nov 1917.

        in nov 1917 mr rothschild had a document for a land it is said in his name, for a formation of a zionist club group and home. it did not say hebrew people, semetic people, jewish people.

        within a year or two he had a nice little mansion built and allowed you people to come in 30 years later.

        there were jewish and palestinenian people living next door to each other for a thousand years and into 3000 years without issues. so? where were you? in a german sausage in munich or in your germanic irish latin fathers scrotum?

        you are actually saying that there are no palestine people and its just some trick? like the africans that sat for days on end at the center of tel aviv?

        one does not need a leader, or politician or an army to live, in peace, quite on their ancestors land. which appears to me, is something you or your grand parents never had. that is why you were given the plot of land from murdered people that refused to live their home. that is why the whole world is turning against israel just like it was written in the original scriptures. your god, will destroy you, as he promised, if you did not behave one more time.
        well you have not behaved.

        so? it is inevetable you will be destroyed by russia, korea and china and not iran. iran is to peacefull and calm. however, russian turks, russians, china, is not very impressed.

        israel has killed bullied unarmed people.

        now, you will have people that will come after you for your crimes. you must now pay.

        the arabs are your best partners. saudi, israel were created around the same time. along with germany, uk, usa they are one great team. but they do not want you idiots to know that, because you are brain – washed.

        my family was not a myth.
        we are not arabs.
        i am part jew, and i am ashed of you and israel.

        the filistine people have been there for thousands of years. read real history, not usa, uk, eu, israel history. real histroy, real. not the bolony that comes out of your phscotic heads, when you wake up in the morning.

        i cannot educate someone, that does not even know the basics.
        we would need to start at basics. i am busy today.

        however, in approx 3 weeks, i am opening a site, which anyone can log onto, which will tell the full story of the f i l i s t i n e people as it was.

        i suggest you grab that chance, to educate yourself. it may help you understand who’s land you are on.

        and it may help you also leave before you are nuked by russia not iran.

        all russians hate how you bully these weak, defenseless people.

        i been in your israel and around. many times. i have films, pics, material that is enough to hang your so-called leaders.

        who ever you think they really are.

        This Not Not about my opinion. It is what it is.

        bullies, will always get dealt with.

        • cba

          all russians hate how you bully these weak, defenseless people

          Are you suggesting that Israel should treat the Palestinians the way the Russians treat Ukraine and Chechnya?

    • Sahap Kadir Seit-ali

      So where, were the palestinians bought to your israel from ???????
      ————————————–
      his article is fraudulent. Accepted mainstream histories of the Jewish people – including those in Israel’s own universities – clearly state that 90% of all Jews alive today are descendants of the Khazar people of Central Asia, who emigrated to central Europe.

      Genetic testing shows the Palestinians to be a close genetic match to the Judeans of ancient Israel, and Israalies to be Khazar-European. Only sephardic Jews carry a similar level of Judean genetic markers as Palestinians do.

      You cannot argue with the reality of these scientific and historic facts. 90% of Israelis are not Jewish by matrinlineal blood. And frankly, international law does not care if you believe a religious book promised you a certain piece of land.

      The sad thing is, none of you will bother to check anything I have said. Logic and facts mean nothing to Zionists. Zionists are born into lies, and live by lies. Zionists are a disgrace to Judaeism.

  • Sahap Kadir Seit-ali

    Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic,religious or national group.

    [1] What constitutes enough of a “part” to qualify as genocide has been subject to much debate by legal scholars.[2][3] While a precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG).

    rticle 2 of this convention defines genocide as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, anational, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”[4]

    Raphael Lemkin, in his work Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (1944), coined the term “genocide” by combining Greek genos (γένος; race, people) and Latin cīdere (to kill).

  • Travis

    Shithead remember that Israel will blow up the world so your popcorn will be vaporized along with your syphilitic brain.

  • Jim_from_Iowa

    My money is on the Israelis. They’ve got a pretty good track record dealing with Arab military aggression. What planet do you live on, anyway?

  • Dorith

    The word “indigenous” repeatedly appears in this article.
    Still you are so stupid and retarded, that you do not know how to spell it.
    I agree, it is a difficult word. Kikes and yids you know how to spell quite nicely. Shows you do have a few working brain cells.

    (I do think that “dog shit” are two words, but I can forgive you this silly mistake. One has to show some compassion to the people who are less gifted.)

    At least you are clever enough to know how to turn on the TV and make popcorn.

    Now regarding that TV broadcast you are so eagerly waiting for, I am so sorry to disappoint you. It won’t happen! It is not in the program! I am sure you can find other enjoyable programs to view with your popcorn and what about a few bottles of beer? You sound like someone who would enjoy it. I recommend Maccabi and Goldstar.

    Just be careful! The mossad has its eyes and ears everywhere!!

  • dymphna

    Do you eat with the same mouth you spew with?

    Feel better now? We can see thousands of people being converted to your way of thinking just from the power of your rhetoric.

    Back to the swamp, boy. The sun will be rising soon and your scaly skin will dry out. Better hurry.

  • Ryan Bellerose

    Its funny and sad , first someoen quotes the khazar theory, then someone comes out with ” kikes and yids” so many wonderful people out there. Next we should get a lecture about the rothschilds and then about the illuminati and our day of idiocy can be complete.

  • cba

    Sweetie, you were the one who brought up the Russians, not I.

    As for the rest of your reality-challenged rant, I shall leave you to your delusions in peace.