An Abusive Relationship

palestinian child abuse4One of the greatest life lessons I’ve learned is not to sweat the things I can’t directly control. Not to believe happiness comes from a possession I don’t yet have.

What if Jihad means we can never have our peace in Israel? What if there is literally no acceptable accommodation we can make with our enemies? What if the only thing they’d accept is our subjugation as Dhimmis, and we’ll never do that again?

I believe I can find happiness if I stop believing we can fix the lives of people who hate us and teach their kids to hate us. I just don’t care about them enough to risk my life or the lives of those I love. 

If they can drop the hate I’ll review. Without that I’m going to not blame our side one iota. I’m sorry if you think differently, I’ve read your stuff. I just think you’re wrong.

There are some who think that if we treat the Arabs just a little bit better they’ll stop beating us.

I’ve heard the same crappy advice given to beaten spouses.

We don’t need to be a beaten spouse any more.

40 thoughts on “An Abusive Relationship”

  1. Barney Sternfield

    In my humble opinion, they haven’t as of yet gotten the ass-kicking that they truly deserve. We need to pound them till they raise the white flag, and toss out the “journalists” and other assorted eurotrash that run interference for them.

    1. Sadly, you are probably right, though this doesn’t mean that Israel will be the one giving the ass-kicking. My prediction is that something, somewhere, will happen, that will lead to major “blowback”. For example, imagine how the Americans would react (perhaps not under Obama, but it’s possible that he would be impeached in such circumstances) if they got another 9/11. Or maybe some major event in Europe (though they don’t react much, in general). I can imagine scenarios, and many of them don’t involve Israel at all.

      1. Barney Sternfield

        There is blowback against the islamofascists on a daily basis in smaller doses happening daily in the Buddahist and Hindu world.Europe nowadays lacks the vigor to struggle for it’s survival. It’s a good idea that Israel is improving it’s ties with the peoples of the Far East, thr future lies there.

        1. I fully agree. Also, India has been there before, and I don’t think that they’ve forgotten their history. Then again, that’s true for parts of Europe, as well…

          Then there’s that other long-time, quiet Israeli ally: Singapore. I know that they’re tiny, but in many ways, Lee Kwan Yue is the “inspiration” for many of the changes in China, so they really do punch above their weight – very similarly to Israel, in a way.

          The way things look, my “worst case” scenario is that Israel will outlast Europe, with Asian civilisations eventually taking the place of the West.

          But you know what they say: “Never sell America short” – there might still be a few punches coming from that direction…

          1. Barney Sternfield

            America always has the ability to reinvent itself and could come out of the mess that it’s currently in, I sure hope that it does. I curiusly find myself agreeing awith an observation of Arnold Toynbee, in that “Civilizations don’t die they commit suicide.” Probably the only thing he ever said that I agree with. Western Europe especially Scandinavia is on that path. Israel is in for a bout of real stormy weather but in the end it’ll pull through.

  2. Brian, it’s time for an intervention. Brah, you’re seriously making the analogy that Israelis are like the battered spouse in a dysfunctional relationship? Israel is the most powerful nation in the Middle East and you think of yourselves collectively as helpless domestic violence victims? It’s time to get out of the right-wing echo chamber of self-delusional victimhood till your head clears.

      1. Your power is not only your military prowess, but that of the Jewish spirit and brilliance in overcoming adversity. Instead of employing these strengths to advantage all Israelis, your current government clutches to the position of the status quo which weakens Israel as a democratic, Jewish state in the future. Get out of your safe room and support a government that will make a genuine effort to resolve the Israel-Arab conflict before it is too late.

        1. Any suggestions for what (different) actions the Israeli government should make that would move us closer to that worthy goal?

          1. First of all, Israelis and Palestinians should elect/select different governments because the last ones with these cast of characters did everything they could to ensure the last American peace initiative would fail. Maybe find a different facilitator as well, because Americans are pretty well fed up with being asked to do the impossible.

            1. “Elect different governments”–OK, let me be more specific: What actions should this “different Israeli government” take to bring about peace?

              1. Two states for two peoples with completely different national aspirations rather than one dysfunctional state shared by two peoples who hate one another. Just because a negotiated settlement has alluded both parties in the past shouldn’t make the current situation acceptable to Israelis.

                1. You’re still not answering my question.

                  You’re talking in broad, general terms about how you see the END RESULT. Please give me one or two PRACTICAL steps that an Israeli government could take RIGHT NOW to move TOWARDS that end result.

                  1. I’m doing my best but this isn’t “Meet the Press” and you’re not Chuck Todd. It seems clear to me that Israel’s present course is leading to Palestinians becoming a permanent underclass of an occupying Israeli power serving neither the interests of Palestinians nor Israelis. Under Netanyahu, Israel has become more internationally isolated, not less. You should be trying to defend/explain how Israel’s current policies are best for Israelis rather than demand specific steps from me.

                    1. Did I ever claim “Israel’s current policies are best for Israelis”? No I did not.

                      Yet you state Israel should do “something different” without specifying what that “something” should be.

                      Here’s MY plan (it wouldn’t work, but it’s as good as anybody else’s lousy plan):

                      We “all know” what parts of the disputed territories would remain in Israel’s hands if the Palestinians ever decided to accept that Israel ain’t going anywhere and maybe they’d like a state after all… even if it means refraining from driving the Jews into the sea. Some of those areas are the Etzion Bloc, Maaleh Adumim (and Area E1), Ariel.

                      Israel should say, “OK, you guys don’t want to negotiate in good faith, so we’re going to unilaterally annex those areas the way we did with the Golan and the areas of J’lem previously occupied (and ethnically cleansed of Jews) by Jordan.”

                      Any non-Israelis living in those areas should be given the same offer the non-Israeli Golan/east J’lem residents were given back in the day: Either Israeli citizenship or permanent residency.

                      All other areas (the rest of Area C, Areas A and B) will remain with their current statuses, final status TBD when the Palestinians give up their dreams of genocide and decide to negotiate in good faith.

                    2. Your lousy plan sounds a lot less lousy than the “plans” of some of the others I see sharing their comments here. At least your plan has a rational basis and an objective to attempt to keep Israelis safe from the murderous ambitions of some of their Arab neighbors.

                    3. …final status TBD when the Palestinians give up their dreams of genocide and decide to negotiate in good faith.

                      islam’s world view precludes any giving up.

                    4. Oh, and as for the Temple Mount? Tell the Waqf that if they keep attacking non-Muslim visitors, then for certain defined periods in the week it will be off limits for ALL Muslims (regardless of age or gender), during which time non-Muslims will be allowed to visit.

                    5. Agreed. How ennobling of a sacred place is it to throw rocks and fire bombs at the “Noble Sanctuary”?

        2. But, can’t we say we have had enough of “overcoming adversity”? We didn’t sign up for it … yet someone keeps signing us up for it … sigh.

    1. Israel 1 state. Arabs – 22 states + 56 Muslims states that back them in the UN
      Israel land ratio to Arab land ratio 1:500
      Jews in the Middle East – 6 million, Arab 500 Million

      You tell me who is the big guy here.

      1. Israel endures with the Middle East demographic/natural resources deck stacked against it. That impresses me. Just think what you can do if you support a government the Jewish people deserve rather than the one you’re stuck with at the moment.

        1. Back off Jim. Netanyahu is a great leader, the kind of man they need right now, not some guy willing to give away the store because it looks good. No more pressure on Israel. It’s not coincidence that the people who would dispossess the Jewish people of their homeland are themselves being dispossessed. Europe is done for. France, Germany and England will no longer exist as we know them in 20 years.

    2. Strong women can still be in abusive relationships. And if you extend the analogy, you sound like the friend who advises her to stay in the abusive relationship. Maybe walk a mile in their shoes before advising whom they should vote for.

      1. I didn’t like Brian’s relationship analogy to begin with, but if forced to play it out, here’s what I’d do. Agree to a no-fault divorce. Palestinians get Hebron, the gift shop concessions in Bethlehem where they sell those cheesey Christian artifacts and the residuals for all appearances on “Arab Idol.” I would want the Israelis to keep the settlement blocks near the greenline, maintain Jerusalem as it’s eternal undivided capital and take possession of Suha Arafat’s penthouse suite in Paris as compensation for all the crap they’ve endured from the Palestinians.

        1. Great suggestions for the IDEAL, but not for the REALITY. That’s the problem – the Palestenians were previously offered just that, and more. They don’t turn up to court for the divorce agreement, instead they are drunk at a bar telling anyone who will listen that they won’t renounce violence, won’t recognise Israel as a Jewish state, won’t drop right of return.
          Also, how about you (and your president) give up on Netanyahu, since he’s so recalcitrant and focus your energies on the Palestenians.
          Specifically:
          “elect different leaders” – Palestenians have not one but two elected leaderships; Abbas (remember when he was elected?) and Hamas. Wouldn’t you think this needs to be addressed BEFORE starting negotiations? If Abbas doesn’t legally represent one of the “people and their state” as he is 7 years past his elected term, and Hamas has rejected all negotiation proposals out of hand, that should be the starting point, not Israel’s position.
          Palestenian violence – If they have their own state, this hate fuelled violence thing needs to be addressed. No fault divorce is fine, but at this point, Israel needs a restraining order against the Palestenians. In theory this sounds sensible – they can’t get along so separate them. But just wait until Israel actually implements the necessary security measures. Imagine the stink when Israel implements security of ITS borders. There will be walls, fences, checkpoints, and obviously no work in Israel for residents of the hostile Palestinian state. So who would be worse off with two viable States as opposed to the status quo then? If by some miracle, Abbas agreed to a final deal, and the Jewish people living on the wrong side of a line dividing land known as Judea were persuaded that, after all, staying alive is even more important than being near the burial ground of their Patriachs, the separation terms would need to be worked out. If currently Israel is the occupier and in charge, why did 5 American tourists nearly get lynched and have their car firebombed for accidentally driving into the Arab area? Sounds to me like the Pals are pretty much in charge of their areas and we can see what they do when they are in charge.
          For further evidence, see the sermon on MEMRI.
          Next: Israel can keep undivided Jerusalem – are you kidding?

          1. This is where the “pro-Pal” narrative starts to dissolve – they seem to have spent recess indoors erasing the blackboard so that all offers ever made by Israel are erased and they become the playground victims. Enough pandering to the wannabe protectors of Gaza. Most of them haven’t left their trailers in Idaho in years!

  3. Norman_In_New_York

    As I suggested in an earlier thread, the Arabs behave as they do because it is profitable for the PA to keep the hostilities going. Foreign ministries out to prove how humanitarian they are are easy prey for the PA, which has turned embezzlement into a fine art. Stop the money and things will change.

  4. Healthy attitude. And it explains the unhealthy attitude of the pallis. The israelis go “they hate us, big deal” Any numbskull who wants to act on it dies. Any who wants to move in, is ignored. The pals live on hate, the Israelis make things better. The pals live in squalor because of this.

  5. As Einat Wilf said, “There is no recognition of the Jews’ rights. They recognise and respect our might but not our right.” This is vitally important for all lefties to understand. In all negotiations, Israel (and the U.S. etc) start from a position of recognising Palestenians’ rights (right to be there, right to a state etc) but there is no recognition of Jews’ right. Israel falls into this line of thinking too – because we are strong, we don’t insist on our basic rights. There are LAWS prohibiting Arabs from selling property to Jews, why? Why are there provisions in all negotiations for Israel to pay repatriation and compensation to Palestenians but never any talk of Arabs compensating Jews? Not so long before their “Naqba”, there were massacres and expulsions all over the place – Hebron, Jerusalem etc – where is the compensation paid to Jews? Germany is paying repatriation to Holocaust survivors, where is the repatriation from Arab countries for the confiscation of property and expulsion? There is no way to negotiate from this uneven position unless the Arabs explicitly recognise the Jewish state’s RIGHT. They recognise that Israel exists and that Israel is strong (might) but they do not recognise Israel’s existence as a basic right. That is, it is only Israel’s strength that sustains her survival.

  6. there is literally no acceptable accommodation we can make with our enemies

    And….here’s why:

    mohammed designed islam as a
    replacement and superior ‘religion’.
    He did this because allah ‘told him’ that
    Christianity was corrupt and Judaism extinct.
    Ergo, the very existence of living breathing
    Jews and Christians (forget even about Israel….)
    calls into question the ‘perfect and unchangeable’ koran
    and it’s main spokesperson, mohammad.

    In the koran, this is blasphemy, the penalty is death.
    Hence, continual warfare against Jews and Christians
    is required of all muzlims.

    politicalislam.com

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